Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment
Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li> Mon, 09 November 2009 00:24 UTC
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Richard, I believe that that distinction is the difference between a libertarian viewpoint and a _militant_ libertarian viewpoint, as Fred mentioned. ;-) Tony Richard Barnes wrote: > Hey Fred, > > Thanks for this little study. Note that this doesn't necessarily > argue for *application* throttling, as much as for *user* throttling. > The network might want to prevent the bittorrent user from interfering > with you, but the he can be left free to shut down his own VPN if he > wants to. > > --Richard > > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com> wrote: >> A remark to those who take a militant libertarian view of Net Neutrality, >> and those of ledbat and tcpm who have difficulty understanding why >> transports should tune to the knee (just enough of data outstanding, aka >> cwnd, to maintain the maximum goodput) as opposed to the cliff (the knee >> plus the maximum depth of the bottleneck queue, at which point throughput >> has not increased but loss has increased). >> >> Saturday night, as I do many nights that I spend at hotels, I ran a ping >> study to characterize the network. It was obviously massively >> overprovisioned - it was difficult to register RTT variance in excess of a >> millisecond trans-pacific between Japan and the US. I did this again last >> night. The network behavior as measured from my room was equally stable >> until about 11:58 PM; at that point, someone fired up something huge, my >> guess being something that uses bittorrent, delay dramatically increased, >> and my VPN went down within a couple of minutes. When this happens, >> customers call ISPs and ISPs start throttling applications, because the >> applications are doing horrible things to the ISPs' customers. >> >> The attached are a case in point. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 76attendees mailing list >> 76attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/76attendees >> >> > _______________________________________________ > 76attendees mailing list > 76attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/76attendees >
- [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Fred Baker
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Eric Burger
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Richard Barnes
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Tony Li
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Fred Baker
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Ted Lemon
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Richard Barnes
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Fred Baker
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Alissa Cooper
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Dale Worley
- Re: [76attendees] A Net Neutrality comment Jason Livingood