Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review)

Hello,

the problem with the all the 'but' cases is that they sometimes cannot
all be addressed. However, this is not a valid reason to not address the
problem/request at all.

"Since we cannot accomodate every_single_particular_possible_request, we
decided to do nothing" just doesn't cut it. On the other hand,
accomodating 80% percents of the perceived needs does cut it.

cheers

~CArlos

On 8/21/13 3:42 PM, David Lake (dlake) wrote:
> But, but, but....
>
> The problem is that often times it's not AT the meeting that I want the SIM, especially for data.
>
> It's BEFORE the meeting - for example from the minute the wheels touch the ground or the train crosses the border.   So, ideally, I'd want a pre-activated SIM that I can move into my phone/tablet one or two days before the meeting starts.  That means sending me the SIM in advance of me travelling.
>
> THEN we hit Joel's point:
>
> "different nations, have different identity/registration requirements for cellular telephones and the sale of such items is regulated"   
>
> Even where it is legal to post a SIM, you can hit problems; having just bought a very cheap SpeakOut Wireless SIM for Canada (http://www.speakout7eleven.ca/) which was not activated, I've discovered that that particular MVNO has no international roaming agreements, so I can't actually make the thing work or stick any money on it until I arrive IN Canada.   So my plan of giving people my number before I travelled is scuppered - until I activate it, I won't know the number and I can't activate it until...  you get the point.
>
> Whilst the desire is admirable, I suspect that the number of permutations are too great to expect a volunteer force to handle.
>
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 87attendees-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:87attendees-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos M. Martinez
> Sent: 21 August 2013 11:18
> To: Brian Dickson
> Cc: 87 Attendees; joel jaeggli; dcrocker@bbiw.net
> Subject: Re: [87attendees] SIM purchase at the IETF (was Re: [87all] IETF 87 Berlin Meeting Review)
>
> +1, the point, restated, would be to ensure that during IETF events,
> attendeees who may need/want them can buy SIM cards at reasonable prices, and including obtaining some help in activating them taking into account that this process can be highly location-dependant and may imply languages other than English.
>
> If this results in one, two, or eight booths, or in a single wiki page with pointers to a nearby store (store that /should/ be contacted previously IMO), its all fine.
>
> regards
>
> ~Carlos
>
> On 8/21/13 2:44 PM, Brian Dickson wrote:
>> On Aug 21, 2013, at 1:26 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  it will frequently be more complex then first glance affords.
>> Individual attendees may or may not know well in advance of a meeting that they will for sure attend.
>>
>> However, the IETF knows it will, and where and when for years in advance.
>>
>> Having IETF staff research these thing scales better and affords more lead time - even if the only result is stuff on a meeting wiki page. It still benefits all attendees, and may provide helpful info in the attendees' language(s).
>>
>> If on-site SIM sales and/or re-form-factoring also happens, great. But even without this, the advance investigation is still very useful.
>>
>> Brian
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