Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communication Security Work in ACE
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 25 July 2016 19:26 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communication Security Work in ACE
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On 25/07/16 17:59, Somaraju Abhinav wrote: > we essentially have 50-100 ms for the signing+verification process > and I do not know of a solution that does this Just a clarifying question: why can't the signing possibly be done asynchronously? E.g. the private key holder could sign a value that will only be sent later - as long as it has one of those ready to emit whenever needed one can ignore the signing time. That can have power consumption consequences but I'd guess that's ok for a lightswitch. If signing can be done ahead of time, then only verification time has to be considered. S.
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Rene Struik
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Kumar, Sandeep
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Kumar, Sandeep
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Somaraju Abhinav
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Somaraju Abhinav
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Somaraju Abhinav
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Somaraju Abhinav
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Derek Atkins
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Jim Schaad
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Ludwig Seitz
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Thomas Hardjono
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Kumar, Sandeep
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Rahman, Akbar
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Smith, Ned
- [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communication… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Grunwald, Markus
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Robert Cragie
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Garcia Morchon O, Oscar
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Somaraju Abhinav
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Somaraju Abhinav
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Michael StJohns
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Ace] Adoption of Low Latency Group Communica… Ludwig Seitz