Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding ECN to L2 or tunnel protocols?
Piers O'Hanlon <p.ohanlon@gmail.com> Tue, 05 November 2013 09:42 UTC
Return-Path: <p.ohanlon@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: aqm@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: aqm@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 659C411E8173; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 01:42:38 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.569
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cWh9oWBB6Lck; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 01:42:37 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-we0-x22c.google.com (mail-we0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4A711E80FC; Tue, 5 Nov 2013 01:42:36 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id q58so3178044wes.17 for <multiple recipients>; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 01:42:35 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=0pJKqr3cnG25z/G+GY90KwNzIg5EyP2cLdmbbJDC2sw=; b=rENxcGDPlCcZv/wn9NNEk0YmPzvHiUJz9mvfV2b10nhdlhjo02+s0aU9lOX+KgeS2t ooV7irdfPbUrd4l4iwkGDzLa/9QQFOlvsELSeS8xWkzyln1S3XJu9HKIQ5RZNCDNpN86 8p6MpS/sX6zWDSJcuecSo7atxsizMAKWnR8NnI+YuqOSEos3Ollx9AZMVkYlQOP1i8kt T3kqd1zt9Vh2nbsCgGqcHVeehSBmDq0gXO2B156zz7zhi42IA3XJWNnlde1rGcTlgpSb AyBV2Pru6U3XfVgyhOMO6C2kvvAlh9b7cyvJQimDWl+ViyFCwgQJJEqd4xPkpShPh6SV tVqA==
X-Received: by 10.180.39.34 with SMTP id m2mr16179787wik.26.1383644555208; Tue, 05 Nov 2013 01:42:35 -0800 (PST)
Received: from black.lan ([149.241.129.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b7sm12452434wiz.8.2013.11.05.01.42.32 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Nov 2013 01:42:34 -0800 (PST)
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
From: Piers O'Hanlon <p.ohanlon@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <201311042203.rA4M3lo0026458@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:42:31 +0000
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <8677FF97-849C-40A6-AE71-AE7ED18570E0@gmail.com>
References: <201311042203.rA4M3lo0026458@bagheera.jungle.bt.co.uk>
To: Bob Briscoe <bob.briscoe@bt.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283)
X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 08:51:56 -0800
Cc: draft-briscoe-tsvwg-ecn-encap-guidelines@tools.ietf.org, tsvwg IETF list <tsvwg@ietf.org>, AQM IETF list <aqm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding ECN to L2 or tunnel protocols?
X-BeenThere: aqm@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Discussion list for active queue management and flow isolation." <aqm.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/aqm>, <mailto:aqm-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/aqm>
List-Post: <mailto:aqm@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:aqm-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aqm>, <mailto:aqm-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2013 09:42:38 -0000
Hi Bob, I took a brief look at the draft and it's clearly useful work. One thing that could do with clarification in the Introduction is that ECN - by itself - doesn't necessarily lead to low loss and delay - it should be made clear that it reflects the marking approach of the underlying scheme/AQM. Piers On 4 Nov 2013, at 22:03, Bob Briscoe wrote: > Folks, > > Pls respond if you support this being adopted as a work-group item in the IETF transport services w-g (tsvwg). The WG chairs need visibility of interest. > Even better, if you're willing to read / comment / review / implement > > Guidelines for Adding Congestion Notification to Protocols that Encapsulate IP > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-briscoe-tsvwg-ecn-encap-guidelines> > > Abstract > > The purpose of this document is to guide the design of congestion > notification in any lower layer or tunnelling protocol that > encapsulates IP. The aim is for explicit congestion signals to > propagate consistently from lower layer protocols into IP. Then the > IP internetwork layer can act as a portability layer to carry > congestion notification from non-IP-aware congested nodes up to the > transport layer (L4). Following these guidelines should assure > interworking between new lower layer congestion notification > mechanisms, whether specified by the IETF or other standards bodies. > > > [Cross-posting tsvwg & aqm, just in case] > > > Bob Briscoe, > also for co-authors Pat Thaler and John Kaippallimalil > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Bob Briscoe, BT
- [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding ECN t… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Andrew Mcgregor
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Matt Mathis
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Michael Welzl
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Scheffenegger, Richard
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Weixinpeng
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Rong Pan (ropan)
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Michael Menth
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Zhulei (A)
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Piers O'Hanlon
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Dirk Kutscher
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … philip.eardley
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Joe Touch
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Suresh Krishnan
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Joe Touch
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Andrew Mcgregor
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Joe Touch
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… gorry
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… gorry
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Piers O'Hanlon
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Andrew Mcgregor
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Bannai, Vinay
- Re: [aqm] Who supports tsvwg adoption of adding E… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Bob Briscoe
- Re: [aqm] [tsvwg] Who supports tsvwg adoption of … Ingemar Johansson S