Re: [arch-d] Time to reboot RFC1984 and RFC2804?

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 12 October 2020 21:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [arch-d] Time to reboot RFC1984 and RFC2804?
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On 12/10/2020 22:29, Andrew Campling wrote:
> This could lead to a situation where it appears to be an
> unaccountable tech sector against democratically elected governments,

Actually, it mostly seems to be logic and the laws of
physics against the democratically elected governments.
They claim to want to square the circle and that can't
be done.

> remembering that the tech sector is responsible for surveillance
> capitalism,
That is however, true and is certainly something that
has gotten worse since e.g. rfc1984 was written. It is
worth considering whether there are analagous BCPs that
might be useful there.

I'll note in passing that rfc7258 defines PM in a way
that I at least consider does encompass some of the
mechanisms of surveillance capitalism, e.g. devices
"calling home" with telemetry that relates to protocol
artefacts in ways that can enable broad surveillance.
Could be we could improve on that though.

Cheers,
S.


Cheers,
S.