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Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mandatory Client-side Scanning of Content

Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> Mon, 18 December 2023 17:08 UTC

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From: Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org>
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:08:23 +0100
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Subject: Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mandatory Client-side Scanning of Content
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Hi,

On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 at 17:11, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:

> Hi Mallory,
> At 04:13 AM 18-12-2023, Mallory Knodel wrote:
> >Just to reframe the discussion: In the statement there are two basic
> >arguments made on whether technical solutions can achieve balance:
> >
> >  * Can we narrow scope by implementation? No, not without wider
> > impacts on the open source software ecosystem built upon the
> > internet's architecture that enables permissionless innovation.
>
> Would any of the proposed laws have a more significant impact on
> "social media"?


Yes some do indeed and intentionally so. But it varies.


>
> The term "the internet's architecture" in the above is
> ambiguous.  Could you please explain what you mean by that?
>

Sorry I was condensing an entire statement into two bullets. Best to read
the statement where it is elaborated in a more nuanced and specific way.

-M

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