Re: [arch-d] IAB Statement on Encryption and Mandatory Client-side Scanning of Content

S Moonesamy <> Mon, 18 December 2023 16:11 UTC

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Hi Mallory,
At 04:13 AM 18-12-2023, Mallory Knodel wrote:
>Just to reframe the discussion: In the statement there are two basic 
>arguments made on whether technical solutions can achieve balance:
>  * Can we narrow scope by implementation? No, not without wider 
> impacts on the open source software ecosystem built upon the 
> internet's architecture that enables permissionless innovation.

Would any of the proposed laws have a more significant impact on 
"social media"?

The term "the internet's architecture" in the above is 
ambiguous.  Could you please explain what you mean by that?

S. Moonesamy