Re: [Asdf] Kicking off ASDF

[Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]>]

> On 2020-08-20, at 03:23, Michael Richardson <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
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> Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> On 2020-08-19, at 17:06, Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]> wrote:
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>>>> So I would personally be loath to put this into a charter.
> 
>> Do we have to?  I think the WG can define (and modify, as needed) its
>> mode of operation and its rhythm; that does not need to be part of the
>> charter.
> 
>> I’m asking because I believe we should send off the charter to our AD
>> soon, so we need to find out whether there is anything left that needs
>> to be added.
> 
> yes, I also feel the urge for some speed here.
> But, I think it's just you and I for the last two weeks though.

Maybe charter smithing is just not everyone’s favorite pastime.
(And maybe the charter is pretty much done?)

> Will it pick up again September 1, or is everyone just dead from [e-mail]?
> (I'm not reading that thread)
> I guess I thought this pandemic August would be different than other August lulls.

It certainly is, with all the time on the balcony :-)
(It also is ten degrees warmer.)

> I wonder if there a useful place for an Experimental status document?

I think we are way beyond “Experimental”.

When do you create an “Experimental” protocol in the IETF?

(1) If you want to conduct an experiment (Research!) and need a common specification for that.

(1a) If you want to document an experiment, or are in the IRTF :-)

(2) If you want to put out something as a proposal, and expect that will be replaced by the real thing after some thinking later (RFC 2414 and RFC 3390, RFC 3940 and RFC 5740, …).

(2a) If your protocol development fizzled out, but you still want to document it (RFC 8548).

(3) If you are not sure about the harm you are creating (damaging the Internet) and want to get by the IESG anyway.

SDF 1.0 might have been “experimental”.  But we do not plan to publish anything but the real thing.  By the time we do this, we expect to have most of the data models of a dozen or so ecosystems represented in SDF and being used for organizing the convergence in OneDM.  That is no longer an experiment.

		.oOo.

Back to the charter work: I created https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108/pull/6 to actually address https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108/issues/5
Please check whether that correctly reflects the change needed.

Grüße, Carsten