Re: Anticipatory whitelisting (was Re: [Asrg] Consent Proposal)
Yakov Shafranovich <research@solidmatrix.com> Tue, 01 July 2003 02:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: Anticipatory whitelisting (was Re: [Asrg] Consent Proposal)
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:33:55 -0400
At 12:15 PM 6/27/2003 +0100, Bruce Stephens wrote: >Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> writes: >[..] > > D. "For each email user the MUA or the ISP maintains a whitelist..." > > > > MUAs don't maintain whitelists, people do. And that's the crux of > > the problem as has been shown repeatedly, people generally don't > > know the exact details of where the confirmation of their FTC/AT&T > > no-call list is going to come from to put them on their > > whitelist. Etc. > >That's an important problem, and it's one that the IETF (or some other >body, such as W3C) could help to solve. > >Something that would be helpful would be (say) and XML specification >for small documents that web sites could offer for email lists that >they run. Such documents would include information about the >originator address of email from the list (or some other kind of >authenticator), and information for subscribing and unsubscribing from >the list, together with information about the list (description, >perhaps an icon that user agents can use). > >I've phrased that poorly in the sense that the same idea would work >for short-term communication agreements (such as information about a >particular order from amazon.com, say). Some documents could specify >an expiry time for this use. > >Obviously, email clients would parse such documents, and (after >presenting the information and receiving confirmation) would be able >to set up the whitelist (also perhaps arranging a filter to put email >into a special folder), and then tell the originating site about the >desire to accept communications. (I say "email client" on the grounds >that most people use IE/OE, so their email client is also their web >browser. Obviously it would be slightly more complex if the two are >separate, but still readily doable.) > >I'm not sure how the information would be passed to ISPs that offer to >do filtering. As you say, there are privacy issues. However, if >these privacy issues can (to a sufficient extent) be addressed, then a >standardised way for the permission information to be passed to ISPs >would be valuable. > >Even in the absence of spam, that would be handy, since it would make >it easy to manage mailing lists (my MUA could show me a list, and >could automatically filter them into folders). >[..] This is going hand in hand with what Bob Wyman mentioned - we need to define what consent is, how to express it and how to make sure that various mail system can communicate consent between themselves. Yakov _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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