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Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields

Stan Kalisch <stan@glyphein.mailforce.net> Sun, 07 June 2020 22:07 UTC

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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2020 18:07:20 -0400
From: Stan Kalisch <stan@glyphein.mailforce.net>
To: John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, dmarc@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC alignment conflicts with RFC 5322 on the use of the From and Sender header fields
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, at 5:40 PM, John Levine wrote:
> I believe the real question is *whether* to show trust data to users
> and the consensus seems to be don't bother, it only confuses them.

I mean, I can't dispute that that's a fair question.  Confusion obviously works against the goals behind showing the user the data in the first place.


Stan

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