Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ?
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Sat, 15 August 2020 17:52 UTC
Return-Path: <dhc@dcrocker.net>
X-Original-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416CC3A0888 for <dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:52:04 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.849
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.849 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.949, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IKPF4NVQK_ZQ for <dmarc@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:52:02 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from simon.songbird.com (simon.songbird.com [72.52.113.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A96943A088A for <dmarc@ietf.org>; Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.1.67] (108-226-162-63.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108.226.162.63]) (authenticated bits=0) by simon.songbird.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-4.1ubuntu1.1) with ESMTP id 07FHsfCN017708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:54:41 -0700
To: "Kurt Andersen (b)" <kboth@drkurt.com>, Neil Anuskiewicz <neil@marmot-tech.com>
Cc: "dmarc@ietf.org" <dmarc@ietf.org>, Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it>
References: <20200811034740.BA1831E7FDBF@ary.local> <0c8afc68-bc51-702a-c794-610b2d355836@dcrocker.net> <83a8e95f-d85d-634e-0c93-eb2ddab2c69d@wordtothewise.com> <99810a58-3809-bfd2-3571-bac54430f9e8@tana.it> <CAOPP4WHWoVkA+ZWZ+2AFnH8_nKBxO+t3Z4trz347JV0fsEy83Q@mail.gmail.com> <CABuGu1rCFdCHue-osiDAb2rEUqeR3WsOjbL2hs=FC47aqQRLYw@mail.gmail.com>
Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net
From: Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net>
Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking
Message-ID: <0cd7ef9c-a5c8-8014-6ab7-e7a8bfc65b41@dcrocker.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 10:51:50 -0700
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.11.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CABuGu1rCFdCHue-osiDAb2rEUqeR3WsOjbL2hs=FC47aqQRLYw@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Language: en-US
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dmarc/KM7iI-nzKfYLAQaZEtOCqERW7-I>
Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ?
X-BeenThere: dmarc@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting, and Compliance \(DMARC\)" <dmarc.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dmarc/>
List-Post: <mailto:dmarc@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc>, <mailto:dmarc-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 17:52:04 -0000
On 8/13/2020 2:38 PM, Kurt Andersen (b) wrote: > Passing DMARC is not a be-all-end-all. That's what local policy is > for. I fail to see why local policy would not solve your problem (as > described). We tend to use the term 'local policy' to refer to exceptional behavior. (I'm not suggesting you were, but am using your reference to it as an excuse to make this small rant.) Receiving filtering engines do whatever they want. Always. Always have. No outside agency or actor or standard affects that fact at all. Rather, outside agencies, actors, and standards merely provide input to that filtering engine. "Local policy" is always and entirely in charge of what happens locally. Everything else is subservient. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Steve Atkins
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Doug Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Kurt Andersen (b)
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Dave Crocker
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? John R Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Luis E. Muñoz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Neil Anuskiewicz
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Jesse Thompson
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] draft-crocker-dmarc-author-00 ? Jesse Thompson