Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02

Hi Pierrick,

> Do you mean that using DSL and LTE together is a BBF trademark? ... come
> on. :-).. anyway, I don't care about using another example... why not WiFi and
> LTE... is it ok? Is there any SDO which claims exclusivity on this use-case ;-) ?

:-)

I would say "exclusivity" is exaggerated. The fact is that people already have that background knowledge so that they can easily get the impression that this is talking about the BBF use case. Also, the older versions did refer to WT-348 use case. 

There are alternative examples, as you've already suggested, that can be used in the placeholder. It would be easier to use them. 

Thanks,
Mingui

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pierrick.seite@orange.com [mailto:pierrick.seite@orange.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 5:02 PM
> To: Mingui Zhang; Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de; dmm@ietf.org
> Cc: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Mingui Zhang [mailto:zhangmingui@huawei.com] Envoyé : mercredi 9
> > décembre 2015 03:54 À : Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de; SEITE Pierrick
> > IMT/OLN; dmm@ietf.org Cc : alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com Objet : RE:
> > [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
> > 02
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am not alone who find Figure 1 is misleading. Lots of people around
> > know 'DSL+LTE' is a peculiar use case of BBF WT-348.
> 
> Do you mean that using DSL and LTE together is a BBF trademark? ... come
> on. :-).. anyway, I don't care about using another example... why not WiFi and
> LTE... is it ok? Is there any SDO which claims exclusivity on this use-case ;-) ?
> 
> Now that the draft intends to
> > provide a generic protocol extension for mobility management systems,
> > please drop that use case.
> >
> > Looking at the structure of the doc, Figure 1 is obviously a good
> > position to give a generic reference model rather than a specific
> > example, not to mention a misleading one.
> >
> > In the text,
> >    " Flow-1,2 and 3 are distributed either on
> >    Tunnel-1 (over LTE) or Tunnel-2 (ober DSL), while Flow-4 is spread on
> >    both Tunnel-1 and 2. "
> > s/ober/over/
> > So, this indicates the doc aims to support both per-flow and
> > per-packet traffic distribution. This point could be explicitly stated.
> >
> 
> It is stated on section 3.2. but, you are right, it is maybe worth to clarify this in
> the introduction as well.
> 
> 
> > In the figure,
> > s/Flow0=-4/ Flow-4 /
> >
> > I guess authors would produce an updated version to address the issues
> > we've found.
> >
> 
> Yes of course. Thanks for the comments.
> 
> > Thanks,
> > Mingui
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de [mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 6:06 PM
> > > To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; dmm@ietf.org
> > > Cc: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> > > Subject: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > >
> > > Hi Pierrick,
> > > Thank you for the clarification!
> > > May I recommend then to exchange also the multiple occurrences of RG
> > > in the draft text by - why not MAG?
> > >
> > > Your approach which I think of as mainly opting towards future
> > > mobility management systems with multiple connections (e.g.
> > > backhauling of vehicular/nomadic access nodes or MRs) otherwise
> > > might be interpreted in a misleading direction ...
> > >
> > > Having said this I also would appreciate to replace the expression
> > > 'hybrid' by 'multi-link' or 'multi-connected'. For an BBF-related
> > > aggregated access bundling often called 'hybrid access' (see e.g.
> > > BANANA activity) there are - as Mingui already pointed out - other
> > > solution proposals available which consider in detail the specific existing
> gaps.
> > >
> > > IMHO I would also opting to replace the use case DSL+LTE by a more
> > > general one e.g. multiple wireless and cellular links as WiFi+LTE or
> > > LTE(provided by operator x) + LTE(provided by operator y) or even
> > > LTE+future
> > 5G air interface ...
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot!
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Dirk
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > > pierrick.seite@orange.com
> > > Sent: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2015 12:07
> > > To: Alexandre Petrescu; dmm
> > > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > >
> > > Good point... moreover, "rg" means nothing here...
> > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De : dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandre
> > > > Petrescu Envoyé : vendredi 4 décembre 2015 12:02 À : dmm Objet : Re:
> > > > [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
> > > > 02
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I support adoption.
> > > >
> > > > One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group.
> > > > It would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of
> > > > -rg-, if it's not
> > > too complicated.
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a écrit :
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> > > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > > > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > > > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like
> > > > > to confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> > > > > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > ------
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Dapeng&Jouni
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > ------
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > >
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