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Re: [DNSOP] On .ZZ

Roy Arends <roy@dnss.ec> Fri, 22 November 2019 14:05 UTC

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From: Roy Arends <roy@dnss.ec>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] On .ZZ
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> On 22 Nov 2019, at 21:15, Matthew Pounsett <matt@conundrum.com> wrote:
> 
>   On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 05:16, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el@lisse.na> wrote:
> 
>           If users need code elements to represent country names not included
>           in this part of ISO 3166, the series of letters AA, QM to QZ, XA to
>           XZ, and ZZ [...] are available.
> 
>   I read that to mean that a .ZZ (or rather any of the 42 possibles) would
>   be safe to use in our context.
> 
> I read that to mean they are reserved for private use, and as mentioned above, any centralized/standardized use is going to conflict with that.

No.

No one is suggesting centralised use! The opposite. You can use it locally because there is no centralised use.

>   This is a bit like IANA trying to assign a bit of RFC1918 space to something specific and global.

No. Not at all. There is no ask here of IANA. ZZ is not to be delegated. At All. No one is re-assigning anything.

Using your analogy, there should not be an RFC1918 because it “standardizes” that 10/0 (etc) can be used for private internets.

> I'm surprised this thread has such legs.  I would have thought this would wind up when home. and home.arpa were mentioned way up thread.  

I’m surprised that this thread contains so much mis-information.

Roy

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