Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis, must-not-sha1, must-not-ecc-gost
Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> Mon, 29 April 2024 20:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis, must-not-sha1, must-not-ecc-gost
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On Apr 29, 2024, at 13:00, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote: > That said, a number of OSes have already forced the issue by failing > SHA1 as cryptographic operation (RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, maybe more). So > right now, if you run DNSSEC with SHA1 (which includes NSEC3 using > SHA1), your validator might already return it as an insecure zone. If the purpose of deprecating validation that involves SHA-1 is the decision by RedHat to make that entire section of the DNS insecure, the documents should say that explicitly. Conflating the pre-image weaknesses of SHA-1 and actual useful attacks on DNSSEC, and then using that conflation as the reason for the WG adopting these documents, is not useful. --Paul Hoffman (And, if anyone believes that collision reduction attacks on a hash are likely to lead to preimage reduction attacks, please look at the literature about MD5. The collision resistance has been massively reduced, and there is still zero preimage reduction after almost 20 years.)
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dnsop-r… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… jabley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… S Moonesamy
- [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sha1 Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- [DNSOP]Re: [Ext] Re: Questions before adopting mu… Kim Davies
- Re: [DNSOP] Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Tim Wicinski
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-hardaker-dns… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Scott Morizot
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Call for Adoption: draft-hardak… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Questions before adopting must-not-sh… Petr Menšík