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Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 23 November 2023 19:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] [Gendispatch] New Version Notification for draft-knodel-nomcom-gender-representation-00.txt
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On 24-Nov-23 06:18, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 10:45 PM Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com <mailto:msj@nthpermutation.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     We pick randomly, and with the exception of the 2 person per org limit,
>     any volunteer has an equal weight in being selected.  If you believe
>     some group is underrepresented in the pool, the solutions is to recruit
>     members of that group to volunteer.
> 
> 
> There are two distinct issues:
> 
> 1. Whether women are sufficiently represented in the nomcom selection pool.
> 2. Whether women are sufficiently represented in a given nomcom.

But, over time, these issues are *not* distinct and that is why Mallory's
proposal is IMHO highly desirable:

Having women *consistently* present in NomCom will have a subtle long
term effect, by persuading women that it's worth volunteering for NomCom.
And that will have a further long term effect in persuading women that
they should participate in the IETF (which is our underlying problem).

This is indeed something we should have done years ago. Visible
diversity enhances diversity.
  
> As Christian (and I earlier) noted, because the nomcom itself is quite small,
> it is possible for women to be very underrepresented in a given nomcom
> with respect to the underlying pool. You may believe that's not an issue,
> but to the extent to which it is an issue, I don't think "try to get more women
> into the pool" is a plausible response to that issue.

What I think my argument shows is that we have a feedback loop, and
Mallory's proposal is the easiest way of inserting an amplifier in
that loop.

    Brian

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