Re: [hybi] I-D Action:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-01.txt

Gabriel Montenegro <gmonte@microsoft.com> Thu, 02 September 2010 16:57 UTC

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From: Gabriel Montenegro <gmonte@microsoft.com>
To: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, James Graham <jgraham@opera.com>
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The real issue here is that MUST is the right keyword if something is required for interoperability. A SHOULD means you are recommended to do a certain thing, but you may depart from that recommendation if you know better or have a good reason. MAY is for optional stuff. 

My take on it is that the basic framing is absolutely a MUST. Optional stuff like multiplexing or compression are MAYs (when and if we get to them). Fragmentation support sounds like a SHOULD.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hybi-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:hybi-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Julian Reschke
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 5:05 AM
> To: James Graham
> Cc: hybi@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [hybi] I-D Action:draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-01.txt
> 
> On 02.09.2010 13:47, James Graham wrote:
> > On 09/02/2010 12:45 AM, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> >
> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketproto
> >> col-01.txt
> >>
> >
> > A few initial comments:
> >
> > The framing sections seem to have a lot of SHOULDs. This is worrying
> > as SHOULD-level conditions can't really be tested (it is not an error
> > to violate them) and can be a source of interoperability problems. I
> > would
>  > ...
> 
> Nothing stops you from testing them; you just need to either state that you
> reported SHOULD failures as violations, or need to report different compliance
> levels.
> 
> Best regards, Julian
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