Re: [hybi] Is there a traffic jam?

Mike Dierken <mike@dierken.com> Tue, 14 April 2009 18:35 UTC

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I was thinking the applet would expose the 'web socket' API (or
equivalent) and the app would be built with JavaScript. This would be
a way to prototype an approach that created a sibling of
XMLHttpRequest, but meant for receiving unsolicited requests in a page
- something like XMLHttpServer (but without the XML part).



On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Sylvain Hellegouarch <sh@defuze.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>> The question I have now is, what does precisely stop browsers
>>> from offering a raw TCP socket API at the Javascript level?
>>>
>> I thought that was available, via object/applet style plug-ins.
>>
>
> But if that was the solution we wouldn't have this discussion. It's
> because people want to/have to write their application in javascript that
> there is a need for a better solution than what exists now.
>
> Perhaps the reason BEEP has never taken off is because it's so versatile
> that it ultimately creates a bigger mismatch. I'm afraid WS might follow
> the same trend.
>
> - Sylvain
> --
> Sylvain Hellegouarch
> http://www.defuze.org
>