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Re: [Ianaplan] Updated text Re: Please keep context in mind Re: Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review

"Richard Hill" <rhill@hill-a.ch> Tue, 25 August 2015 06:10 UTC

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From: Richard Hill <rhill@hill-a.ch>
To: 'Eliot Lear' <lear@cisco.com>, 'Brian E Carpenter' <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, 'Stephen Farrell' <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, "'Leslie Daigle (ThinkingCat)'" <ldaigle@thinkingcat.com>, "'Ianaplan@Ietf. Org'" <ianaplan@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Updated text Re: Please keep context in mind Re: Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review
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Both Brian and I have made the point that the initial proposal could be misunderstood to mean that this group has evaluated and supports the non-protocol parts of the proposal. That is a substantial objection.

Best,
Richard

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eliot Lear [mailto:lear@cisco.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 07:59
> To: Richard Hill; 'Brian E Carpenter'; 'Stephen Farrell'; 'Leslie
> Daigle (ThinkingCat)'; 'Ianaplan@Ietf. Org'
> Cc: 'Marc Blanchet'
> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Updated text Re: Please keep context in mind
> Re: Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review
> 
> But you have yet to raise a substantial objection to what was initially
> proposed.
> 
> On 8/25/15 7:58 AM, Richard Hill wrote:
> > Building on Brian's proposal that the less said, the better, an
> alternative would be to drop the first sentence altogether, so that the
> text would read:
> >
> > “Regarding the draft ICG proposal, the IETF raised two transition
> points that are mentioned in Paragraph 3062 of the proposal.  We would
> ask that they be referenced in Part 0, Section V of the proposal as
> well.”
> >
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Brian E Carpenter [mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 00:25
> >> To: Stephen Farrell; Eliot Lear; Richard Hill; Leslie Daigle
> >> (ThinkingCat); Ianaplan@Ietf. Org
> >> Cc: Marc Blanchet
> >> Subject: Re: [Ianaplan] Updated text Re: Please keep context in mind
> >> Re: Consensus call -- text reply for ICG proposal review
> >>
> >> On 25/08/2015 08:19, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 24/08/15 19:03, Eliot Lear wrote:
> >>>> On 8/24/15 7:18 PM, Richard Hill wrote:
> >>>>>> That's not my point. My point is that this group has not
> >> considered
> >>>>>> the other parts of the proposal, nor should it.
> >>>> Andrew has already responded to you on that point.  And some of us
> >>>> *have* considered the text on the whole.
> >>>>
> >>> I think Eliot is clearly correct here. (Even though I prefer
> >>> Leslie's text over Eliot's.)
> >> Concur. The less said, the better, as far as *this WG* is concerned.
> >>
> >> I hope and trust that the IAB will tackle the broader issue, and I
> >> think the community part of that discussion belongs on
> ietf@ietf.org.
> >>
> >>     Brian
> >
>

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