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Re: [Iasa20] draft-haberman-iasa20dt-recs-00.txt

Joseph Lorenzo Hall <joe@cdt.org> Tue, 11 July 2017 19:58 UTC

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On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Stephen Farrell
<stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
>
> - IASA++ seems the obviously right option to me.
>   The other two structures have either a "pro" or
>   a "con" (depending on one's opinion) which is
>   that the IETF becomes an incorporated entity.
>   I think the effort to reach consensus on that
>   topic could de-rail the iasa2 work and we'd risk
>   losing the increased transparency etc. we want to
>   get. So that'd just leave IASA++ as being the
>   only feasible option.


Hi Stephen!

Can you say a bit more why the two more legal separation/incorporation
options are obviously not right to you?

The reason I ask is that we consciously tried to bound the solution
space and having an enhanced status quo, some of the benefits of legal
separation, and then full fledged legal separation seemed like the
right way to do that.

If we are missing any gleans on the IASA++ options, it would be great
to get that into list discussion if you are game. Thanks as always for
wonderful feedback.

best, Joe

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