Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Mon, 03 July 2017 20:07 UTC

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> Ah, yes of course WG consensus is important. I had assumed that the
> authors were expressing their 100% agreement with all my points through
> silence. ;-)

actually, you atacked the style and tone of my response, so i gave up.

we have long experience (can you say DataKit?) with bad failures and
hard debugging of partial data plane connectivity interacting with
lack of knowledge of the control plane.

when my router's packets can not reach you, or vice versa, i *really*
want to learn a better place to send them.

remember, this arose from arnold asking me what it would take for me to
be willing to consider using route servers.  btw, doed ntt base its
forwarding on route server supplied control plane at many exchanges?

randy