Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt
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From: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2017 02:27:54 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt
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Jeff, Running add paths for common policy paths vs per client best path are orders of magnitude more work. I can not believe why you would think otherwise ... Thx RR On Jul 4, 2017 19:44, "Jeffrey Haas" <jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 12:48:40PM +0200, Job Snijders wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 06:20:28PM -0400, Jeffrey Haas wrote: > > > > On Jul 3, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm not sure whether events will be packed together this neatly. > > > > > > > > Questions that remain: > > > > > > > > - is it absolutely necessary for the RS to be aware of the entire > > > > bfd session topology state? > > > > > > The draft is written with the idea that some/many devices *won't* be > > > aware. If the state is Unknown, things still work. > > > > Like with today's RS? "This draft doesn't make it worse" is hardly an > > impressive statement ;-) > > It's BGP. You have to deal with what incremental deployment looks like. > > [...] > > > Looked at a somewhat different way, choosing the backup paths is no > > > different than add-paths or diverse paths feature choosing the next > > > best path. But since the RS and the client could have already > > > conveyed the possible set of nexthops for the view, there's no need > > > for stepwise discovery. Perhaps this point needs to be made clearer > > > in the draft. > > > > But any churn in the possible set of nexthops, directly results in BGP > > churn, where as when the route server is not kept in the loop about who > > can reach who, there will not be any churn at the route server level > > when 2 RS participants cannot reach each other (temporarily). > > I believe you are confused about the CPU work associated with providing > add-paths actually is. > > Add-paths implementations already run N-best calculations. They must > already include the work of running policy and BGP loop checks. Adding an > additional exclusion list based on nexthop viability for the view isn't > significantly more work for a given round of route selection. > > If you'd like to argue "send them 2, and if they both don't work, let god > and their backup paths sort it out", fine. You're welcome to run your RS > that way - if you run a RS. What I don't understand is why you object to > someone else doing something different. > > -- Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >
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- Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt Jeffrey Haas
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- Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt Robert Raszuk
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- Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt Gert Doering
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- Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt Jeffrey Haas
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- Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt Robert Raszuk
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- Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt Robert Raszuk
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- Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt Robert Raszuk
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