Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant subtags
Hugh Paterson III <sil.linguist@gmail.com> Mon, 30 November 2020 06:31 UTC
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From: Hugh Paterson III <sil.linguist@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 07:30:32 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant subtags
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Also, different meaning would be applied to the tag if used as en-us-northern vs en-northern. I would think then the tag is relative and therefor harder to consistently use or interpret. I have heard it said of those who live in California, that if one asks a Californian where they live they usually give you a town name. And if one were to inquire where that town is they arbitrarily define Southern California to include it. Northern California is any place north of where the person lives. It’s my favorite game to play with new, to me, native Californians that I meet. - Hugh On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:16 AM Mark Davis ☕️ <mark@macchiato.com> wrote: > Switching subject since this is not about "BCP 47 extension structure for > ISO TR 21636..." > > Mark > > > On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 3:53 PM Doug Ewell <doug@ewellic.org> wrote: > >> Peter Constable wrote: >> >> > Observation: In the case of "eastern" and "western", their meaning >> > depends on what it is the qualify. ('East' relative to what?...) But >> > in the case of "fonipa", there is a unique meaning that's independent >> > of what it is qualifying. >> >> Exactly. Mark had stated that the restriction against this type of >> generic variant "doesn't apply when there isn't a prefix," but that's >> sort of circular; we couldn't have registered 'eastern' and 'western' >> for Armenian or any other language simply by omitting the Prefix field. >> >> -- >> Doug Ewell, CC, ALB | Thornton, CO, US | ewellic.org >> >> > Well, if the registry had {eastern, western, northern, southern, central} > variants, then someone could have sv-northern. The meaning would be the > customary meaning of 'northern' — a variety spoken in the northern part of > the area of the Earth in which that language is typically spoken. It is > quite common to distinguish varieties based on general geographical > location: look at Kurdish. > > For many languages that 'adjective' would not be particularly useful, and > like any subtag, should be avoided where it does not mark a useful > distinction. For example, for English it would not be particularly useful. > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf-languages mailing list > Ietf-languages@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-languages > -- All the best, -Hugh Sent from my iPhone Paris, France
- [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extension … Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Sebastian Drude
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Hugh Paterson III
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Sebastian Drude
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Sebastian Drude
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Sebastian Drude
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Doug Ewell
- [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant subt… Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: [Ietf-languages] First cut at a BCP 47 extens… Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Hugh Paterson III
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Michael Everson
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Michael Everson
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Sebastian Drude
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Richard Wordingham
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Peter Constable
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Mark Davis ☕️
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Doug Ewell
- Re: [Ietf-languages] adjectival usage of variant … Mark Davis ☕️