Re: [ietf-smtp] [Proposal] confusing parts of the mail system, was 250-MARKDOWN
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] [Proposal] confusing parts of the mail system, was 250-MARKDOWN
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In article <0826bb60-8ebb-f531-2a1d-8fad91335ff1@wizmail.org> you write: >On 16/01/2019 20:02, Gene Hightower wrote: >> On 16/01/2019 11.15, Jeremy Harris wrote: >>> Efficiency. Not having to do dot-stuffing means that sendfile etc. >> >> Can you use sendfile() after STARTTLS? > >I'm not aware of the common TLS libraries providing an equivalent >interface yet, but once the symmetric-crypto portion is established >in the kernel I'd think it possible. Perhaps five years from now? Even if someone puts some of the crypto glop in the kernel, the benefit of sendfile() is minimal. The point of sendfile is that the kernel can send network data directly from the disk buffer. That's never going to happen if it has to be encrypted first. If it has to read the buffer, encrypt it, and put it back, that's just like copying it while encrypting. Either way, it seems like a pretty minor optimization. My MTA routinely has a hundred connections going at once and it's totally I/O bound. R's, John
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