Re: [ietf-smtp] [Proposal] confusing parts of the mail system, was 250-MARKDOWN

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Wed, 09 January 2019 23:27 UTC

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--On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 15:08 -0800 Gene Hightower
<gene@digilicious.com> wrote:

>...

>> My mail server doesn't support or understand any media types
>> at all. MIME and media types are all handled in the MUA.
> 
> I agree, except for BINARYMIME: the one MIME type advertised
> in the greeting stage of ESMTP.

Even that is dubious.  What BINARYMIME does an SMTP extension is
to enable the use of those media types; it does not require or
specify them.

>...
> As for text/markdown as a MIME type: it would be nice to have
> something lighter than HTML for simple formatted text.  But we
> already have text/enriched defined in RFC 1896 and that seems
> to have zero adoption.

Actually, fairly heavily adopted in the early days, just largely
irrelevant, as a little markup but not much, since text/html was
specified and took over