Re: [ietf-smtp] [Proposal] confusing parts of the mail system, was 250-MARKDOWN

Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Sun, 13 January 2019 17:18 UTC

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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 09:11:55 -0800
From: Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com>
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] [Proposal] confusing parts of the mail system, was 250-MARKDOWN
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> On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, Gene Hightower wrote:
> >> Rather than do that, I'd rather do different duct tape that stores
> >> the giant blob on an external server via soemthing like drive, box,
> >> or dropbox, and puts a message/external-body part into the message.
> >> See RFC 2017.
> >
> > Or the MTA could sore it.  Make it available via some URL that can be
> > forwarded.  No need for support in the MUA if the MTA can do it.

> Yeah, I think I've seen MTAs that do that.

They do. At submission, security gateway, and final delivery.

				Ned