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Gene Hightower <gene@digilicious.com> Thu, 17 January 2019 12:55 UTC

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From: Gene Hightower <gene@digilicious.com>
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] [Proposal] confusing parts of the mail system, was 250-MARKDOWN
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On 17/01/2019 04.29, Ned Freed wrote:

> Clearly not, as you yourself have noted.

Microsoft supports BINARYMIME for received mail on port 25.

This something that, I hear, is very difficult for others to do.  I'm
told it's very complicated.  Somehow they have figured out how to make
this work.

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