Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF
Hector Santos <hsantos@isdg.net> Thu, 23 July 2020 18:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF
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On 7/23/2020 1:34 PM, Keith Moore wrote: > On 7/23/20 1:14 PM, Michael Peddemors wrote: > >> If you limit to SMTP and MIME, this isn't really 'email core'. >> Including IMAP and possibly others, should be encouraged. > > I disagree, and for what it's worth, that's not what I had understood > the intent of the group to be. > > If it's necessary to change the name of the group to minimize > confusion, so be it. > > I believe that a tight focus is essential for most working groups, and > especially so for a group that's tasked with moving a set of mature > documents to Full Standard. I don't think such a group should be > used to bless potentially every email protocol in use, as IMO they > vary a great deal in both quality and long-term applicability. I > think such a group could easily slide down a slippery slope into a > huge rathole. > > But it does seem like a scope discussion might be a good use of BOF > time, assuming the ADs are willing at all to entertain the idea of > making EMAILCORE wider in scope than just SMTP and MIME. > > Keith +1 on all points. The term "EmailCore" would inherently suggest a wider scope for the Applicability statement covering modern electronic mail. It would suggest all the protocols which are part of the "Email-Core" including SMTP, POP3, IMAP, NNTP (for legacy purposes, how is it used today) and "JMAP" which seems to be blowing pass by SMTP. This would be the "Perry's Handbook For Mail Engineers" I personally believe would help the "total integrated" framework moving forward for the next wave of mail engineers. HOWEVER, this "handbook" would definitely be too much when the original intent, I thought, was to 2020 codifying SMTP with RFC5322bis and RFC5321bis, preparing it for STD status. Klensin, the world, deserves these documents to get to STD. We also have the email-core conflicts of different mail streams, namely, 1::1 direct mail and 1::MANY distribution streams. The conflict has been highlighted by DKIM and its augmented security protocols. How this fits with the "email-core' are the proposals and discussion in the DMARC group to lower the RFC5322.From persistent field status to a mutable one. -- Hector Santos, https://secure.santronics.com https://twitter.com/hectorsantos
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Dave Crocker
- [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Дилян Палаузов
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Michael Peddemors
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Michael Richardson
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Michael Peddemors
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Dave Crocker
- [ietf-smtp] Issueds listed in 5321bis Appendix GR… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Keith Moore
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Issueds listed in 5321bis Appendi… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Proposed agenda for EMAILCORE BOF Hector Santos