Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs
Valdis Kl ē tnieks <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu> Mon, 27 April 2020 01:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs
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On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:59:18 -0400, Scott Kitterman said: > > The other big problem is that even if we chunk out an RFC that clarifies > > that they *can* pick-and-choose which DSN events to react to on a case by > > case basis, it's still going to take a decade before people actually do > > something about it. > > I think that's backwards. People already have done something about it and do > pick and choose. The question is if and how we should align standards to that > reality. I was unclear.. I meant specifically the "We turned it off because we thought that's what we had to do to comply" crowd. Once it gets in config files, it's there *forever*. (Not SMTP, but demonstrating the problem - I had an IP address for an AIX workstation on my desk that was running a stratum-2 NTP server. That IP address was removed from the clocks.txt file in late 1998, and went permanently offline in June 1999 when we moved from "workstations on desks doing servers" to proper rack-mounted boxes with all the bells and whistles. In July 2018, a test over 6 hours found 501 machines that *still* thought that IP address was a good place to send NTP requests... Gaak.)
- [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies (was… John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies … Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies … Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies … Brandon Long
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies … John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies John R Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies … Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] SMTP, DSNs, and enhanced replies Jeremy Harris
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Claus Assmann
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Jeremy Harris
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Scott Kitterman
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John C Klensin
- [ietf-smtp] Variable HELO name, was DSNs Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Arnt Gulbrandsen
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Variable HELO name, was DSNs Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] Variable HELO name, was DSNs John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John C Klensin
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Valdis Kl ē tnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Scott Kitterman
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Valdis Kl ē tnieks
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Laura Atkins
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs John Levine
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Sam Varshavchik
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Ned Freed
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [ietf-smtp] DSNs Sam Varshavchik