Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Friday for IETF 73
Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com> Mon, 21 July 2008 16:33 UTC
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:21:09 -0700
From: Ned Freed <ned.freed@mrochek.com>
Subject: Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Friday for IETF 73
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> Marshall, > > It may just be too little coffee, but I am not sure what you meant > > here. What rule prevents teleconferencing ? > Let's hope it's not too little coffee, and that I am in fact mistaken, > but I never said that we have rules that *prevent* teleconferencing. To > elaborate, my understanding is that the rules for teleconferencing are > governed by the rules for interim meetings, which require something like > one month's advance notice plus attendance requirements at the previous > IETF, and a minimum period of time between meetings. I regret I can't > locate the citation right now. I also think AD approval is required. > And the reason I think all of these things is that we came close to > having an appeal on the matter in one of the groups in which I am active. > What I would suggest is that f2f requirement be eliminated, that the > notice periods be reduced to two weeks, and that AD approval not be > required. +1 I will also note that telling people they cannot meet to discuss things is about as effective as telling water it cannot flow downhill. In practice what often happens is that some small and highly motivated subset meets and discusses things privately, rules be damned. Ned _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
- Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Friday … IETF Chair
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Robert Sparks
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Paul Hoffman
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Tony Hansen
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… James M. Polk
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Dave Crocker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Joel Jaeggli
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Adrian Farrel
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Tony Hansen
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Scott O. Bradner
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Bill Manning
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eliot Lear
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… michael.dillon
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eric Rosen
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eric Rescorla
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Dave Crocker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Jari Arkko
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eliot Lear
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Cyrus Daboo
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Mary Barnes
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Cyrus Daboo
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Andy Bierman
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eliot Lear
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Dave Crocker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Dave Crocker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Spencer Dawkins
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Mary Barnes
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Dave Crocker
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Mary Barnes
- Conference calls (Was: Re: Proposed Experiment: M… Jari Arkko
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Mary Barnes
- Re: Conference calls (Was: Re: Proposed Experimen… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Keith Moore
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Kurt Erik Lindqvist
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eliot Lear
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… James Galvin
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eliot Lear
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Dave Cridland
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Tom.Petch
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Nathaniel Borenstein
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Ned Freed
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… John C Klensin
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Dave Crocker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Dave Crocker
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… michael.dillon
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… michael.dillon
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… David Harrington
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eric Burger
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marc Manthey
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marc Manthey
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eric Burger
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Eric Burger
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Marc Manthey
- Teleconf [Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting T… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Teleconf [Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeti… Marc Manthey
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Fred Baker
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Daniel Brown
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Jari Arkko
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Russ Housley
- Re: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Russ Housley
- RE: Proposed Experiment: More Meeting Time on Fri… Glen Zorn