Re: Appeal against IESG blocking DISCUSS on draft-klensin-rfc2821bis

"Randy Presuhn" <> Fri, 20 June 2008 19:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: Appeal against IESG blocking DISCUSS on draft-klensin-rfc2821bis
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:06:41 -0700
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Hi -

> From: "Debbie Garside" <>
> To: "'John C Klensin'" <>om>; "'Dave Cridland'" <>
> Cc: "'Pete Resnick'" <>om>; <>rg>; <>
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:54 AM
> Subject: RE: Appeal against IESG blocking DISCUSS on draft-klensin-rfc2821bis
> Sorry but we have to agree to differ on this.  Nothing personal but probably
> due to my ISO experience, I am more for going with standards rather than
> finding ways around them with MAYs and SHOULDs.  If there is a
> recommendation within a standard IMHO it should be followed.  This is just
> my humble opinion - you are welcome to yours.
> Wrt the author's intention for publishing BCP32, it is irrelevant unless
> documented within the BCP itself.  We cannot go back to the author for each
> BCP or RFC and ask what was the intended use.  The document, as with any
> standard, has to stand alone.

Both these arguments get back to the question of the applicability of
a standard or BCP.  Although we are sometimes rather clear on the
scope of applicability for a particular specification, more often things
are more or less deliberately left open ended.  Whether it makes
sense to use SNMPv3 as a file transfer protocol (as in RFC 2592)
is left to the user's judgement.  The existence of a potentially applicable
BCP or standard doesn't imply that it MUST be used - the WG needs to
investigate it, and then make the engineering decision whether
that specification is the right tool for the job at hand.


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