RE: Appeal against IESG blocking DISCUSS on draft-klensin-rfc2821bis

Russ Housley <> Tue, 24 June 2008 20:35 UTC

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:35:46 -0400
To: Bernard Aboba <>
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Subject: RE: Appeal against IESG blocking DISCUSS on draft-klensin-rfc2821bis
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The data is all public.  Jari has done a very good job of extracting 
the data from the I-D Tracker and making it accessible to 
everyone.  Of course, any requests for changes to additional graphs 
need to go to Jari.


At 11:32 AM 6/24/2008, Bernard Aboba wrote:
> > We have a way to count DISCUSS positions, but we do not have a way to
> > figure out what percentage of them are perceived as "late surprises"
> > by the community. So, while we are taking action in an attempt to
> > make things better, we do not have a way to measure our success or
> > failure beyond community perception. Suggestions on making this more
> > objective and less subjective are greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Russ
>I agree that it might be hard to measure the effect of particular 
>actions (e.g. changes in
>procedures). However, it is *not* hard to measure overall trends in 
>performance, and
>to break these trends down between areas and types of documents.
>My understanding is that the Simcoe dataset continues beyond 2001, 
>and that with some
>relatively modest effort, a detailed analysis could be produced 
>quantifying how the IETF
>as performed. This would give us a window into what the actual 
>results have been.

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