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Re: Appeal against IESG blocking DISCUSS on draft-klensin-rfc2821bis

Bernard Aboba <bernard_aboba@hotmail.com> Tue, 24 June 2008 02:41 UTC

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Russ Housley said:
 
"I agree with this principle. In fact, I think that the IESG has taken many steps over the last four or more years to reduce the nearly-end-of-process surprises. Obviously, you do not think these measures have been sufficient. One lesson from the many attempts to make updates to RFC 2026 is that such policy documents needs to set expectations without taking away flexibility and judgement. "
 
Can you elaborate on what steps the IESG has taken to reduce the "nearly-end-of-process surprises" and why effect this has had, if any?  For example, have the delays resulting from IESG reviews actually *decreased* as a result?
 
The research by Prof. Simcoe of the Rotman School is not encouraging:
http://www.rotman.utoronto.ca/strategy/research/working%20papers/Simcoe%20-%20Delays.pdf
 
 
 
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