Re: IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidance - SMTP version

[Glen <[e-mail]>]

I sense another summoning... truncating for clarity...

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:05 AM Viktor Dukhovni <[e-mail]> wrote:
> So at least the second message should probably be different,
> if the rule is retained.

Easily able to be done.

> But this being a community of RFC subject-matter experts, the text is
> subject to further scrutiny.

[phone]  :-)

> The name "postconfirm" suggests a component that asks (purported)
> senders of borderline messages to confirm their existence/intent to send
> the message.  One should indeed strive to use that sparingly.

Postconfirm is a really nice tool written by the Tools Team that uses
an email challenge-response system to confirm unknown people.  It has
grown to take on a number of other functions for the IETF, including
supporting DMARC-rewriting and so forth.  It is rock solid, and a
pleasure to use.

https://ietf.org/about/groups/tools/
https://tools.ietf.org/tools/postconfirmd/

> Do you know which of the two accounts for the bulk of the rejected traffic?

A quick check this morning suggests that it is the second rule
accounting for the bulk of traffic.

> Anyway, perhaps more than you wanted to know,

I always want to know and understand more.  (Alas, there is always
more to know and understand!  :-) _

> But if you do want to explore your options further, you could ask on the postfix-users list.

I am, and always have been, grateful for the presence and support -
and knowledge! - of the community.  Very seriously!  As a vendor I
cannot be a participant, but I am always appreciative of this and the
many messages containing support and guidance I've received over the
years.

But John's original email on this thread explains that - even though I
am interested, and even though I want things to "work right" - the
decisions about what changes to make, and how to make them, do not
rest with me (as the vendor.)  I know that I*** leadership is here,
and considering everything, and I will be happy to make whatever
changes - if any - they direct me to make.

Glen