Re: Specific Questions about Registration details for IETF 108
Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> Thu, 04 June 2020 03:45 UTC
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Subject: Re: Specific Questions about Registration details for IETF 108
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 15:45:48 +1200
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John > On 4/06/2020, at 3:27 PM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote: > > > > --On Thursday, June 4, 2020 09:19 +1200 Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org <mailto:jay@ietf.org>> > wrote: > >>> On 4/06/2020, at 7:37 AM, Mary B <mary.h.barnes@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> A simple answer to the t-shirt issue is that t-shirts will be >>> only be available if you register by a certain date (FCFS) - >>> that's the best forcing function with this group AFAICT since >>> the cookie count isn't impacted. >>> >>> Otherwise, I don't see the point in deadlines either. I >>> would think you could get an estimate based on the number >>> that participated remotely for IETF-108, maybe adding 10%. >>> Or using the average number of in person attendees + remote >>> attendees. I really doubt that having the virtual meeting >>> would dramatically increase the number of participants and I >>> would hope the logistics aren't that sensitive to >>> fluctuations in number of participants. And, having the late >>> fee could very well backfire and you'll have a lot more one >>> day folks once people see the agenda and realize they missed >>> the early bird (or even standard) registration dates, >>> especially for those of us that are self funded. > > Jay, > > As I continue to defer sending my very long note (and take > things out of it as others ask similar questions), I like Mary's > idea about making the t-shirts or equivalent available only to > those who register by a certain date. Maybe printing up some > extras, charging extra for them, and making that second-wave > collection FCFS. The intention is that they are time limited as they only apply to early bird registrations, but the text may not have been clear on that. > > There is another aspect of the charging plan that I'm a little > concerned about and it is connected to Mary's comment about > latecomers opting for day passes. Before the recent > disruptions, one of the features of coming in remotely has been > that someone could opt to just watch and listen in real time > (i.e., not wait for the YouTube recordings to show up), giving > the option of remaining anonymous, etc. I don't have any data > on how often we managed to turn them into active participants > but I know there have been people who were encouraged to use > that option to understand better how the IETF worked or what a > particular WG was doing. The other was the participant, > option which, in recent years, required registering, virtually > signing blue sheet approximations, etc. > > And someone who was watching but decided they were interested > enough to want to contribute during that meeting could simply > log out, register (at no cost) and come back in. I, at least, > mentioned that "if you are uncomfortable identifying yourself, > watch and then register if you feel like you want to speak up" > option to several people in recent years. > > So... > > (1) With the new fee structure, will the watch/observe option -- > without any fee or need to identify oneself -- still exist? Not contemporaneously. Recordings will be posted to YouTube after each session (timing to be operationally determined). > > (2) If we have someone who signs up to observe, is remote > partially to minimize costs, and who then decides to start > participating and contributing, is a super-premium > during-meeting registration fee the message we want to send? > Did you and the LLC, ideally in consultation with the IESG, > think about waiving late fees (or creating a cheap more-than-one > day pass) for first-timers? I'd be astonished if that had a > major budgetary impact, but it would help send a message about > our being welcoming and would be independent of the actual > waiver program. That edge case was not considered. Jay > > thanks, > john -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director jay@ietf.org
- Specific Questions about Registration details for… Bob Hinden
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… Jay Daley
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… Mary B
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… Jay Daley
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… Bob Hinden
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… John C Klensin
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… Jay Daley
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- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… John C Klensin
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- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… Ted Hardie
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… John C Klensin
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… Jay Daley
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- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… Carsten Bormann
- Re: Specific Questions about Registration details… John C Klensin
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