Re: WG Review: Stay Home Meet Only Online (shmoo)

S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> Fri, 17 July 2020 12:12 UTC

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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 04:22:30 -0700
To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>, ietf@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: WG Review: Stay Home Meet Only Online (shmoo)
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Hi Alissa,
At 05:53 PM 14-07-2020, Alissa Cooper wrote:
>Maybe the better path at this point would be for you to appeal 
>whichever actions I took that you find objectionable, that way I can 
>recuse from the process and the rest of the IESG can handle it. 
>Typically if people email me directly I assume they expect me to 
>respond, but if I'm recused that will take me out of the loop.

Thanks for explaining your position.

>Ok. I think the chairs and I were just following typical practice. 
>Lots of the WGs chartered in the last year don't meet the criteria 
>you specify above:

The text which I cited is from BCP 25.  It is up to the IESG to 
determine which procedures are necessary to ensure openness and 
fairness of the "process".  If I understood correctly, the point 
which you raised (thanks for providing the links) is that other IESG 
members are not following the "Note Well".

Regards,
S. Moonesamy