Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

[Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

That's good. And, yes, I see it on the IESG agenda.

A

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From: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[e-mail]> 
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Subject: RE: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Hi all,

Adrian, thanks for the suggestion, your proposal does scan better than mine,
but I think that the first part of the sentence isn't quite right (or could
be confusing) and would need reworking, as per Qin's point.

So, to keep the process moving along, I've decided to ship it with my
proposed text that got agreement.

The two further changes that I made were to:
 - Move terminology and scope to the beginning (as per Med's request).
 - Remove the text on capabilities, as agreed previously.

So version 00-01 of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-nimby/
should hopefully go on next-week's telechat for internal IESG/IAB review -
if I've managed to press the right buttons and got the timing right.

Thanks,
Rob


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From: Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]> 
Sent: 18 April 2023 18:48
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'Michael Richardson' <[e-mail]>; 'Daniele Ceccarelli'
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Subject: RE: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Thanks for continuing to drive this, Rob.

I could live with your proposal. So, if in doubt, go ahead.

A possible "improvement" to tighten this up a bit, would be:

"Specification of how the inventory is maintained or structured, and the
mechanisms of how inventory content is used are outside the scope of the
Working Group, but the Working Group may develop informative examples
describing how the inventory data could be used."

Adrian
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From: Inventory-yang <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Rob
Wilton (rwilton)
Sent: 18 April 2023 17:26
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<[e-mail]>; Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]; JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET
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Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Hi all,

Perhaps rather than:

" Details of how the inventory content is used is outside the scope of
the Working Group."

We could have:

"Work specifying the use of inventory content is outside the scope of the
Working Group,
but informative examples describing how the inventory data may be used is
within scope".

Would this be sufficient (alongside deleting the paragraph on capabilities)
to submit this version of the charter for IESG review?

Ideally, I would like to get this onto next week's telechat (which means
pushing the button on/before Thursday this week), so if we able to close on
this today/tomorrow then that would be really appreciated (and I appreciate
that I've also been slow here).

Regards,
Rob


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Sent: 14 April 2023 06:08
To: Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>; Daniele Ceccarelli
<[e-mail]>
Cc: [e-mail]; JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET
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Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Hi Michael, 

> Do we ever tell operators what they have do? No.
> Should we say things like, "this enables an operator who wants to map
> their L1 circuits to L0 segments"? Yes.

This falls under means to ease correlation and zoom in/out. This is covered
by the proposed charter. 

This is distinct from the initial part you commented on about the use of the
inventory content. I don't think we have to dive into how (1) an
authoritative inventory is bootstrapped/maintained, (2) how the same data
model is used to structure data that is actually discovered from the
network/infrastructure, (3) how this is exposed to applications such as
planning, emulation tools, etc. 

BTW, I suggest that we make this change: 

NEW:
 Details of how the inventory content is fed and used are outside the scope
of
 
^^^^^^
 the Working Group.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Inventory-yang <[e-mail]> De la part de
> Michael Richardson
> Envoyé : jeudi 13 avril 2023 18:50
> À : Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]>
> Cc : [e-mail]
> Objet : Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
> 
> 
> Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]> wrote:
>     > LMO is Lifecycle Management and Operations. (
>     > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palmero-opsawg-dmlmo/)
> 
>     > Layer 0 is the layer at which optical devices operate.
> 
> I see.  So layer 1 is that I have a 100G fiber from Chicago-DC1 to LA-DC8.
> Layer 0 is that there are five segments between DC1 and DC8 via four
> optical switches in St.Louis, Denver, Reno, SFO and LA.
> 
>     > Can you elaborate a bit? Providing example won't be banned,
> telling
>     > operators how they have to populate their inventories won't make
> them
>     > very happy.
> 
> Do we ever tell operators what they have do? No.
> Should we say things like, "this enables an operator who wants to map
> their L1 circuits to L0 segments"? Yes.
> 
> --
> ]               Never tell me the odds!                 | ipv6 mesh
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> ]   Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works        |    IoT architect
> [
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