Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Tue, 18 April 2023 17:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
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Thanks for continuing to drive this, Rob. I could live with your proposal. So, if in doubt, go ahead. A possible "improvement" to tighten this up a bit, would be: "Specification of how the inventory is maintained or structured, and the mechanisms of how inventory content is used are outside the scope of the Working Group, but the Working Group may develop informative examples describing how the inventory data could be used." Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Inventory-yang <inventory-yang-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rob Wilton (rwilton) Sent: 18 April 2023 17:26 To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ietf@gmail.com> Cc: Inventory-yang@ietf.org; JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET <christian.jacquenet@orange.com> Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering Hi all, Perhaps rather than: " Details of how the inventory content is used is outside the scope of the Working Group." We could have: "Work specifying the use of inventory content is outside the scope of the Working Group, but informative examples describing how the inventory data may be used is within scope". Would this be sufficient (alongside deleting the paragraph on capabilities) to submit this version of the charter for IESG review? Ideally, I would like to get this onto next week's telechat (which means pushing the button on/before Thursday this week), so if we able to close on this today/tomorrow then that would be really appreciated (and I appreciate that I've also been slow here). Regards, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Inventory-yang <inventory-yang-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Sent: 14 April 2023 06:08 To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ietf@gmail.com> Cc: inventory-yang@ietf.org; JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET <christian.jacquenet@orange.com> Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering Hi Michael, > Do we ever tell operators what they have do? No. > Should we say things like, "this enables an operator who wants to map > their L1 circuits to L0 segments"? Yes. This falls under means to ease correlation and zoom in/out. This is covered by the proposed charter. This is distinct from the initial part you commented on about the use of the inventory content. I don't think we have to dive into how (1) an authoritative inventory is bootstrapped/maintained, (2) how the same data model is used to structure data that is actually discovered from the network/infrastructure, (3) how this is exposed to applications such as planning, emulation tools, etc. BTW, I suggest that we make this change: NEW: Details of how the inventory content is fed and used are outside the scope of ^^^^^^ the Working Group. Thanks. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Inventory-yang <inventory-yang-bounces@ietf.org> De la part de > Michael Richardson > Envoyé : jeudi 13 avril 2023 18:50 > À : Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ietf@gmail.com> > Cc : inventory-yang@ietf.org > Objet : Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering > > > Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > LMO is Lifecycle Management and Operations. ( > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palmero-opsawg-dmlmo/) > > > Layer 0 is the layer at which optical devices operate. > > I see. So layer 1 is that I have a 100G fiber from Chicago-DC1 to LA-DC8. > Layer 0 is that there are five segments between DC1 and DC8 via four > optical switches in St.Louis, Denver, Reno, SFO and LA. > > > Can you elaborate a bit? Providing example won't be banned, > telling > > operators how they have to populate their inventories won't make > them > > very happy. > > Do we ever tell operators what they have do? No. > Should we say things like, "this enables an operator who wants to map > their L1 circuits to L0 segments"? Yes. > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect > [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails > [ ____________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. 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- Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering Daniele Ceccarelli
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- Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering Daniele Ceccarelli
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