Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

[Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]>]

Any name works for me.

Cheers
Daniele



Il Sab 22 Apr 2023, 11:23 Qin Wu <[e-mail]> ha scritto:

> As a plant lover, I like IVY, it might also link to IVY league.
> I think also could choose IVORY for "Inventory YANG" since the color of
> IVORY represent elegance and purity,:-)
>
> -Qin
> -----邮件原件-----
> 发件人: Rob Wilton (rwilton) [mailto:rwilton=[e-mail]]
> 发送时间: 2023年4月21日 10:08
> 收件人: Qin Wu <[e-mail]>; Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[e-mail]>;
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> [e-mail]>; 'Daniele Ceccarelli' <[e-mail]>
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> 主题: RE: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
>
> If folks want to brainstorm on alternative names then that is fine with me.
>
> I am aware of the connotations of the name, at least in the UK, and e.g.,
> flagged the suggested name with the IESG when it was first suggested.
> However, I regard the choice of name as a mostly harmless playful name
> rather than an intended slight on the WG or work.
>
> If you want alternatives, then there is YIMBY, but perhaps that would also
> be regarded as also being negative, I don’t know (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YIMBY_movement)
>
> Or for more boring, but harmless names, there we could possibly use one of:
>   IVY, for "Inventory YANG".
>   BIVY, for "Base Inventory YANG"
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Inventory-yang <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Qin Wu
> Sent: 21 April 2023 06:12
> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=[e-mail]>;
> [e-mail]; [e-mail]; 'Michael Richardson' <
> [e-mail]>; 'Daniele Ceccarelli' <[e-mail]>
> Cc: [e-mail]; 'JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET' <
> [e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
>
> Rob, and all:
> Just want to flag out one issue:
> I hear a few concerns on the WG naming, some believe NIMBY is a derogatory
> term, can we come up with a better name?
>
> -Qin
> -----邮件原件-----
> 发件人: Inventory-yang [mailto:[e-mail]] 代表 Rob
> Wilton (rwilton)
> 发送时间: 2023年4月20日 19:12
> 收件人: [e-mail]; [e-mail]; 'Michael
> Richardson' <[e-mail]>; 'Daniele Ceccarelli' <
> [e-mail]>
> 抄送: [e-mail]; 'JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET' <
> [e-mail]>
> 主题: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
>
> Hi all,
>
> Adrian, thanks for the suggestion, your proposal does scan better than
> mine, but I think that the first part of the sentence isn't quite right (or
> could be confusing) and would need reworking, as per Qin's point.
>
> So, to keep the process moving along, I've decided to ship it with my
> proposed text that got agreement.
>
> The two further changes that I made were to:
>  - Move terminology and scope to the beginning (as per Med's request).
>  - Remove the text on capabilities, as agreed previously.
>
> So version 00-01 of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-nimby/
> should hopefully go on next-week's telechat for internal IESG/IAB review -
> if I've managed to press the right buttons and got the timing right.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]>
> Sent: 18 April 2023 18:48
> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[e-mail]>; [e-mail];
> 'Michael Richardson' <[e-mail]>; 'Daniele Ceccarelli' <
> [e-mail]>
> Cc: [e-mail]; 'JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET' <
> [e-mail]>
> Subject: RE: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
>
> Thanks for continuing to drive this, Rob.
>
> I could live with your proposal. So, if in doubt, go ahead.
>
> A possible "improvement" to tighten this up a bit, would be:
>
> "Specification of how the inventory is maintained or structured, and the
> mechanisms of how inventory content is used are outside the scope of the
> Working Group, but the Working Group may develop informative examples
> describing how the inventory data could be used."
>
> Adrian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Inventory-yang <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Rob
> Wilton (rwilton)
> Sent: 18 April 2023 17:26
> To: [e-mail]; Michael Richardson <
> [e-mail]>; Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]>
> Cc: [e-mail]; JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET <
> [e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
>
> Hi all,
>
> Perhaps rather than:
>
> " Details of how the inventory content is used is outside the scope of the
> Working Group."
>
> We could have:
>
> "Work specifying the use of inventory content is outside the scope of the
> Working Group, but informative examples describing how the inventory data
> may be used is within scope".
>
> Would this be sufficient (alongside deleting the paragraph on
> capabilities) to submit this version of the charter for IESG review?
>
> Ideally, I would like to get this onto next week's telechat (which means
> pushing the button on/before Thursday this week), so if we able to close on
> this today/tomorrow then that would be really appreciated (and I appreciate
> that I've also been slow here).
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Inventory-yang <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of
> [e-mail]
> Sent: 14 April 2023 06:08
> To: Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>; Daniele Ceccarelli <
> [e-mail]>
> Cc: [e-mail]; JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET <
> [e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> > Do we ever tell operators what they have do? No.
> > Should we say things like, "this enables an operator who wants to map
> > their L1 circuits to L0 segments"? Yes.
>
> This falls under means to ease correlation and zoom in/out. This is
> covered by the proposed charter.
>
> This is distinct from the initial part you commented on about the use of
> the inventory content. I don't think we have to dive into how (1) an
> authoritative inventory is bootstrapped/maintained, (2) how the same data
> model is used to structure data that is actually discovered from the
> network/infrastructure, (3) how this is exposed to applications such as
> planning, emulation tools, etc.
>
> BTW, I suggest that we make this change:
>
> NEW:
>  Details of how the inventory content is fed and used are outside the
> scope of
>
> ^^^^^^
>  the Working Group.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Med
>
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : Inventory-yang <[e-mail]> De la part de
> > Michael Richardson Envoyé : jeudi 13 avril 2023 18:50 À : Daniele
> > Ceccarelli <[e-mail]> Cc : [e-mail] Objet
> > : Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
> >
> >
> > Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >     > LMO is Lifecycle Management and Operations. (
> >     > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palmero-opsawg-dmlmo/)
> >
> >     > Layer 0 is the layer at which optical devices operate.
> >
> > I see.  So layer 1 is that I have a 100G fiber from Chicago-DC1 to
> LA-DC8.
> > Layer 0 is that there are five segments between DC1 and DC8 via four
> > optical switches in St.Louis, Denver, Reno, SFO and LA.
> >
> >     > Can you elaborate a bit? Providing example won't be banned,
> > telling
> >     > operators how they have to populate their inventories won't make
> > them
> >     > very happy.
> >
> > Do we ever tell operators what they have do? No.
> > Should we say things like, "this enables an operator who wants to map
> > their L1 circuits to L0 segments"? Yes.
> >
> > --
> > ]               Never tell me the odds!                 | ipv6 mesh
> networks [
> > ]   Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works        |    IoT
> architect
> > [
> > ]     [e-mail]  http://www.sandelman.ca/        |   ruby on
> rails
> > [
>
>
>
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