Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

[Oscar González de Dios <[e-mail]>]

How about YABIN ? YANG Based Inventory ?
It reminds me of Yavin (famous moon in Star Wars)

Oscar


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De: Inventory-yang <[e-mail]> en nombre de Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]>
Enviado: domingo, 23 de abril de 2023 8:25
Para: Qin Wu <[e-mail]>
Cc: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=[e-mail]>; Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[e-mail]>; [e-mail] <[e-mail]>; [e-mail] <[e-mail]>; Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>; [e-mail] <[e-mail]>; JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET <[e-mail]>
Asunto: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Any name works for me.

Cheers
Daniele



Il Sab 22 Apr 2023, 11:23 Qin Wu <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> ha scritto:
As a plant lover, I like IVY, it might also link to IVY league.
I think also could choose IVORY for "Inventory YANG" since the color of IVORY represent elegance and purity,:-)

-Qin
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主题: RE: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

If folks want to brainstorm on alternative names then that is fine with me.

I am aware of the connotations of the name, at least in the UK, and e.g., flagged the suggested name with the IESG when it was first suggested.  However, I regard the choice of name as a mostly harmless playful name rather than an intended slight on the WG or work.

If you want alternatives, then there is YIMBY, but perhaps that would also be regarded as also being negative, I don’t know (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YIMBY_movement)

Or for more boring, but harmless names, there we could possibly use one of:
  IVY, for "Inventory YANG".
  BIVY, for "Base Inventory YANG"

Regards,
Rob



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From: Inventory-yang <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> On Behalf Of Qin Wu
Sent: 21 April 2023 06:12
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Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Rob, and all:
Just want to flag out one issue:
I hear a few concerns on the WG naming, some believe NIMBY is a derogatory term, can we come up with a better name?

-Qin
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主题: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Hi all,

Adrian, thanks for the suggestion, your proposal does scan better than mine, but I think that the first part of the sentence isn't quite right (or could be confusing) and would need reworking, as per Qin's point.

So, to keep the process moving along, I've decided to ship it with my proposed text that got agreement.

The two further changes that I made were to:
 - Move terminology and scope to the beginning (as per Med's request).
 - Remove the text on capabilities, as agreed previously.

So version 00-01 of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-nimby/ should hopefully go on next-week's telechat for internal IESG/IAB review - if I've managed to press the right buttons and got the timing right.

Thanks,
Rob


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From: Adrian Farrel <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent: 18 April 2023 18:48
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Subject: RE: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Thanks for continuing to drive this, Rob.

I could live with your proposal. So, if in doubt, go ahead.

A possible "improvement" to tighten this up a bit, would be:

"Specification of how the inventory is maintained or structured, and the mechanisms of how inventory content is used are outside the scope of the Working Group, but the Working Group may develop informative examples describing how the inventory data could be used."

Adrian
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From: Inventory-yang <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> On Behalf Of Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Sent: 18 April 2023 17:26
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Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Hi all,

Perhaps rather than:

" Details of how the inventory content is used is outside the scope of the Working Group."

We could have:

"Work specifying the use of inventory content is outside the scope of the Working Group, but informative examples describing how the inventory data may be used is within scope".

Would this be sufficient (alongside deleting the paragraph on capabilities) to submit this version of the charter for IESG review?

Ideally, I would like to get this onto next week's telechat (which means pushing the button on/before Thursday this week), so if we able to close on this today/tomorrow then that would be really appreciated (and I appreciate that I've also been slow here).

Regards,
Rob


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Sent: 14 April 2023 06:08
To: Michael Richardson <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; JACQUENET Christian INNOV/NET <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering

Hi Michael,

> Do we ever tell operators what they have do? No.
> Should we say things like, "this enables an operator who wants to map
> their L1 circuits to L0 segments"? Yes.

This falls under means to ease correlation and zoom in/out. This is covered by the proposed charter.

This is distinct from the initial part you commented on about the use of the inventory content. I don't think we have to dive into how (1) an authoritative inventory is bootstrapped/maintained, (2) how the same data model is used to structure data that is actually discovered from the network/infrastructure, (3) how this is exposed to applications such as planning, emulation tools, etc.

BTW, I suggest that we make this change:

NEW:
 Details of how the inventory content is fed and used are outside the scope of

^^^^^^
 the Working Group.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Inventory-yang <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> De la part de
> Michael Richardson Envoyé : jeudi 13 avril 2023 18:50 À : Daniele
> Ceccarelli <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> Cc : [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]> Objet
> : Re: [Inventory-yang] Nimby WG chartering
>
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> Daniele Ceccarelli <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>     > LMO is Lifecycle Management and Operations. (
>     > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-palmero-opsawg-dmlmo/)
>
>     > Layer 0 is the layer at which optical devices operate.
>
> I see.  So layer 1 is that I have a 100G fiber from Chicago-DC1 to LA-DC8.
> Layer 0 is that there are five segments between DC1 and DC8 via four
> optical switches in St.Louis, Denver, Reno, SFO and LA.
>
>     > Can you elaborate a bit? Providing example won't be banned,
> telling
>     > operators how they have to populate their inventories won't make
> them
>     > very happy.
>
> Do we ever tell operators what they have do? No.
> Should we say things like, "this enables an operator who wants to map
> their L1 circuits to L0 segments"? Yes.
>
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