Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" scenarios
Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Wed, 20 February 2019 14:42 UTC
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From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: sthaug@nethelp.no
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" scenarios
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Hi, On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 01:02:45PM +0100, sthaug@nethelp.no wrote: > >> What a sacrilege! > > > > There's so much wrong with current IPv6 standards and implementations > > and processes that "just go with NPT" would save a lot of pain. > > Would you be interesting in making a list of what you think is wrong? > (I'm not disagreeing, I'm just curious...) Oh, that list will be long, so doing it in a useful way will take some time. Just a quick list of things that come to my mind right away There's "protocol inherent" issues that turn out to be amazingly stupid in retrospective - using IPv6 for ND/NA - "you cannot attack something from remote which is not IP" - usiing a mix of local and global addresses for ND/NA source/dest (so filtering "only accept those ND/NA packets that can correctly happen on *this link* and drop all else" is fairly tedious) - using multicast for core functionality - little benefit compared to broadcast in today's networks - lots of extra complexity in network drivers, switch forwarding planes, Wifi, ... -> lots of bugs and problems - replicating the ARP model of "neighbor solicitation when a packet comes in" instead of trying something akin to LANE, where you just register with "someone" who knows all the L2/L3 mappings for a given LAN segment on connection, and nobody has to probe -> "scan /64, exhaust ND" attacks totally defused - unbound chain of extention headers - carrying link-local next-hop addresses in IPv6 BGP sessions that are connecting peers on the same LAN using their GUAs (so at least one major vendor installs a next-hop in the FIB that is different from the BGP peer it is talking to - combine that with ND bugs galore, and you get blackholing due to LLA next-hop unreachability, while BGP thinks "all is good") Then, there's market and IETF process fails - homenet protocol suite - this is something that could have been insanely great, with "just plug in a second ISP into your home network, all machines understand that they have two options for 'connect to the Internet' now, and users have full control" IETF process fail: stall this by haggling two years over "what sort of routing protocols should we have in the homenet protocol suite? we must have negotiations! options! flexibility!" market fail: CPEs have their implementations done. Nobody (but OpenWRT) seems to be working on homenet implementations. double market fail: ISPs have no interest in requesting this from their vendors (so, IETF fail again, because that way it never made it into the CPE requirements list...) - because it would empower their customers to more easily switch ISPs, while they would have to pay the development costs. - source address *failover* in case a machine has multiple source addresses and one of them is broken. We have happy eyeballs for "multiple destinations", but as far as I'm aware (maybe I have missed something) still no "we might want to probe multiple sources if the preferred best source seems to be non-working". Actually this thread is fixing one of scenarios when this can happen (because your router went belly-up), but there's "you have two /64 from two ISPs on your LAN, with two routers happily announcing their RAs, but one of them just cannot reach your preferred destination due to external breakage" - in which case you want to try the other source. - the whole "multiple /48 multihoming" debacle - combined with homenet, this is a really great idea for SoHo environments, especially if you combine it with application smartness, so you can tell your web browser "I want to surf via MyCableNet now!" while your torrent client is filling YourDSL.ISP link... Instead of having nice things, what we *do* get is RFCs that explain "if your primary ISP goes belly-up, withdraw primary RA, send RA for secondary ISP"... (sorry, Jen, but I think this is a bandaid for a much more fundamental flaw). - Firewalls on home routers - so, what do I need global IPv6 addresses in my home network if IETF keeps telling people "you better should not have these addresses reachable from the world!! because, security!!!"? Combined with "CPE market fails" I can now have native IPv6 at home (great), combined with a CPE that has severe limitations on what can be permitted in its ACL handling. Well, after some 5 years, AVM *did* manage to permit IPv6 traffic to DHCPv6-PD-delegated prefixes, but this is still unsatisfactory. - did I mention CPEs? Like, AVM, which claims that there is no way to transport IPv4 over an IPv6-transported VPN, so their CPEs will not implement VPN over IPv6. Great combination if you're sitting behind a ds-lite ISP and have no public v4 address at all... (bashing AVM is actually somewhat unfair, since most other CPE vendors are 10 years behind) - did I mention VPNs? Like, Fortinet, who do support VPN over IPv6, and IPv6 over VPN. And VPN over IPv4, and IPv4 over VPN. But they do not support "IPv4 payload over IPv6 VPN", because, "where is the business case for that?" - like "I'm sitting behind a carrier-grade NAT IPv4 at home, but I have proper IPv6, and I want to reach my IPv4-only backend servers in the datacenter over your VPN"... - I *did* mention the dual-stack IPv6 socket API, did I, with lots of extra code paths everywhere and the amount of bugs this introduces? (in retrospective I can only applaud OpenBSD for refusing to implement it - I did not understand it back then, "because it is so much more convenient!", but I was wrong) - another market fail: 3GPP mandates IPv6 for UMTS. 3 out of 4 mobile ISPs in DE do not offer IPv6 at all... (nowadays it's no longer "3" since Telefonica bought E-Plus, but when 3G was rolled out, none of the 3 had any interest in v6...) - and of course, having to deploy IPv4 in 2019, because "The Internet" took over 20 years to not-deploy IPv6 widely enough that we could finally start shutting down IPv4... instead we have haggling and arguments galore over the last scraps of IPv4... So, that was the unsorted "things that came to my mind" list - it might be factually not correct if I missed interesting new developments, and it might be unfair to people that had the best of intentions, but this is where we are: in an annoying mess of half-done half-working things. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
- A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" scen… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tassos Chatzithomaoglou
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fred Baker
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Joel M. Halpern
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Andrews
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tore Anderson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Christian Huitema
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Christian Huitema
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Christian Huitema
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: privacy at layer 7 and above (was: A common p… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Christian Huitema
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Markku Savela
- Re: privacy at layer 7 and above Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: privacy at layer 7 and above Simon Hobson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Simon Hobson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Simon Hobson
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tom Herbert
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tom Herbert
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tom Herbert
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jen Linkova
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jen Linkova
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Philip Homburg
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tim Chown
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lee Howard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- RE: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Tom Herbert
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SLAAC … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: 6renum , NEMO, and others, alive again? [A co… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Ole Troan
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jen Linkova
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Sander Steffann
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Jen Linkova
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Mark Smith
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… sthaug
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- graceful renumbering of CPE networks Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Michael Richardson
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Nick Hilliard
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … j h woodyatt
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… 神明達哉
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Brian E Carpenter
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Fernando Gont
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… j h woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … j h woodyatt
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" … Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tim Chown
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: 6renum alive again? [A common problem with SL… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Timothy Winters
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Gert Doering
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- NAT debate (Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLA… Fernando Gont
- Re: NAT debate (Re: [v6ops] A common problem with… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Kristian McColm
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Kristian McColm
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Ca By
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Raymond Burkholder
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Kristian McColm
- Is addressing privacy via NAT really achieving mu… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] NAT debate (Re: A common problem with… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Nick Hilliard
- Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A commo… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Christian Huitema
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Owen DeLong
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… Michael Richardson
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Timothy Winters
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… David Farmer
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Ca By
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Lee Howard
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Michael Richardson
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… David Farmer
- Re: Stability and Resilience (was Re: [v6ops] A c… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Owen DeLong
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Ca By
- Re: Is addressing privacy via NAT really achievin… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Jan Zorz - Go6
- Re: [v6ops] Stability and Resilience (was Re: A c… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lee Howard
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ted Lemon
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Michael Richardson
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Sander Steffann
- RE: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… STARK, BARBARA H
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Tim Chown
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Michael Richardson
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Bernie Volz (volz)
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] Is addressing privacy via NAT really … Behcet Sarikaya
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… 神明達哉
- RE: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… 神明達哉
- there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common pro… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Erik Kline
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Mark Smith
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Philip Homburg
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Richard Patterson
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… 神明達哉
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Tim Chown
- Re: graceful renumbering of CPE networks Michael Richardson
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… 神明達哉
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… Timothy Winters
- RE: there should be a ULA prefix?? [was: A common… STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] A common problem with SLAAC in "renum… Philip Homburg