Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" scenarios

Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Wed, 13 February 2019 23:34 UTC

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From: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:33:46 +1100
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Subject: Re: A common problem with SLAAC in "renumbering" scenarios
To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
Cc: Richard Patterson <richard@helix.net.nz>, 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>
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On Thu., 14 Feb. 2019, 03:07 Alexandre Petrescu <
alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com wrote:

>
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> Le 13/02/2019 à 16:57, Richard Patterson a écrit :
> > On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 15:44, Alexandre Petrescu
> > <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Storing the old lease to persistent storage also gives the CPE
> >>> visibility if the prefix does change.  If it does, it can then send
> >>> RAs with lifetime 0 to deprecate the old prefix on the LAN side.
> >>
> >> Which lifetime?  Prefix Information Option's (PIO's) Valid Lifetime or
> >> Preferred Lifetime?
> >>
> >> I doubt this deprecation work straightforwardly on stacks of user's
> >> laptops (Windows) on LAN side, unless one tries, of course.
> >>
> >> I am saying it because recently confronted with linux absence of visible
> >> lifetime fields in Neighbor Cache, otherwise urgently needed for other
> >> contexts.
> >>
> >
> > The preferred lifetime of the old prefix in a PIO.
> > I'm not aware of issues using this method to deprecate an address on
> > any of the common host implementations.
>
> not sure I can see two lifetimes (Valid, Preferred) of routes in routing
> table in host implementation linux with ip -6 r command.  Despite that,
> deprecation of addresses as you suggest may indeed work.
>

If you want to experiment, try the 'DeprecatePrefix' option of 'radvd'.



> Alex
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