Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update>
David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Wed, 10 April 2024 15:37 UTC
Return-Path: <farmer@umn.edu>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C7EC14CE25 for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 08:37:49 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.094
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.094 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=umn.edu
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3HvHqf_BvgRv for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 08:37:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mta-p8.oit.umn.edu (mta-p8.oit.umn.edu [134.84.196.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 502DCC14CE22 for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 08:37:43 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mta-p8.oit.umn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VF6Qv1cSdz9xKhv for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:37:43 +0000 (UTC)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at umn.edu
Received: from mta-p8.oit.umn.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta-p8.oit.umn.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z8C1hzXEN2CK for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:37:42 -0500 (CDT)
Received: from mail-ed1-f72.google.com (mail-ed1-f72.google.com [209.85.208.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mta-p8.oit.umn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VF6Qt4jj4z9xKhm for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:37:42 -0500 (CDT)
DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mta-p8.oit.umn.edu 4VF6Qt4jj4z9xKhm
DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mta-p8.oit.umn.edu 4VF6Qt4jj4z9xKhm
Received: by mail-ed1-f72.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-56c1b105949so5899778a12.3 for <ipv6@ietf.org>; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 08:37:42 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=umn.edu; s=google; t=1712763460; x=1713368260; darn=ietf.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=8qmYByVPo6gl/j01uHEXqHgyFkl66aX5HpckuMBQKhY=; b=Wqhs2jPMpTnbGdNphpGtakcDYisQhUeNmwVpTQkzSodkiZI+oSP6ifmIAbSa9vlv5u lgI+6IxkTn6czUpeYFnLAhHxWgVBoiUMzoadmRyrtLi0UVa8sHQ8n72oDqsPStgCF15c JwicIlqRArKiYQQejcE0xTfvKSwnlWl4cY538RVXfkksTkfa1rRjKwTo4J2hcpEv6O33 zSBcsQ4pTwY5yjV4y/bBg1E+mpoz3d89557ndfjFOnZZrLbFIwbNZBfKL7D8ijn2PlVW HGw0A37+wk2/pChQwcRsCdkWfkHAAln0/Jdz+l4DH2prxnq5b4A8r4wa3+OZrJ3S6GCH X1kw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1712763460; x=1713368260; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=8qmYByVPo6gl/j01uHEXqHgyFkl66aX5HpckuMBQKhY=; b=bpcnIl1LBTYb/Bn+ZlTTV+fZQxesVu/cXWIyAd2icZVfNTQWQS2J7cTk4CBoA6cAmQ +bnjCiOOjrtGnMbqw14Uog1HRyVdvdM9FlX4nG6zkE7+IzMWNgz56neqsbcq84T3hf2F PXQ4BjrILU6Dxa9cGPOd9tbWWijAzr1LQOY78Oq94KTtT412fvsmTCuIqWFSdHA06OV5 SZxCpy2EVsZfsggzWxof6MUsSusKY18Zdt3KepgsF2pKJcT1uCYWRKDsh3hcUEaQ8bT+ NU33aCMaRGmSt59ckvBZvs/FMuRVuG7B47i0FqVsd4Ehu/tVIAGTWYT2HJ0Ud2DVKHA3 T+Aw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyZ9d1/EUVTJNuvauUEuRI48KbYrPLJGqmObl6W6sYd1GA8Tkao 7RnLLussZSuvGXenQs59L11AiK2miE8hyj9NcNCvf9xL4O9jOibvJKE+VaqTzNrSA0EZkBBPJ4J DnrKHbA2XC2E05qMJYQ3CDK5BmrD7aav5cA0lk+MLGhMmTBZubPPpAJuVJI7ndFiYbsrsouz61M cAD8xyf5dRxQvBxV/VqabG
X-Received: by 2002:a50:cd5d:0:b0:56e:2cbc:db77 with SMTP id d29-20020a50cd5d000000b0056e2cbcdb77mr1934092edj.33.1712763460486; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IE6RMoO+Ge9HCDYjUIM4MVXBlxefujFvyjiKxXbtLhG3wLQjDIAwG58/R053l2klkYS6ekYeqw2tlpOSwBxDLc=
X-Received: by 2002:a50:cd5d:0:b0:56e:2cbc:db77 with SMTP id d29-20020a50cd5d000000b0056e2cbcdb77mr1934078edj.33.1712763459968; Wed, 10 Apr 2024 08:37:39 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <6A5E5F35-B35F-4358-8EE1-3BD82329141E@jisc.ac.uk> <6FBC1B5A-BF28-4B05-B2B2-A60DA4707755@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <6FBC1B5A-BF28-4B05-B2B2-A60DA4707755@gmail.com>
From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 10:37:23 -0500
Message-ID: <CAN-Dau3RZrjZafuTPSngZiyX-PDz6SeNQ8KPO=fhmz9hG7i0ZA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
Cc: IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009dbcfc0615bfd13c"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/9OoqPJpsQWdRuXvjiihMbi_8GpI>
Subject: Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2024 15:37:49 -0000
Is another last call at this time a good idea? Don't we first need to resolve the SHOULD vs. MUST for the insertion of known-local ULAs? Then, apply appropriate rewrites as necessary, unless you think a last call is the best way to resolve that issue. On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 10:29 AM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote: > Given the number of changes since the first w.g. last call, the chairs, in > consultation with the authors, are staring a second 6MAN working group last > call for this document. > > This email starts a second two week 6MAN Working Group Last Call on > advancing "Preference for IPv6 ULAs over IPv4 addresses in RFC6724" document > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update/ > > as a Standards Track document. > > A summary of changes since the -06 version is below. A good diff to > review is: > > > https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update-08&url2=draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update-06&difftype=--html > > [New draft on left due to line length problem with old draft] > > Substantive comments and statements of support for publishing this > document should be directed to the ipv6@ietf.org mailing list. Editorial > suggestions can be sent to the authors. This last call will end on 24 > April 2024 23:59 UTC. > > Also, one issue the authors would like feedback on is if the requirement > is a SHOULD or MUST for inserting known-local ULA prefixes into their > policy table with a precedence above both GUAs and IPv4, while leaving all > other general ULAs at a lower precedence. It is a SHOULD in the -08 draft, > but there has been support for a MUST in the discussion. > > Bob, Jen, Ole > 6MAN chairs > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Tim Chown <Tim.Chown=40jisc.ac.uk@dmarc.ietf.org> > *Subject: **Re: [IPv6] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update-08.txt* > *Date: *April 9, 2024 at 7:47:57 AM PDT > *To: *IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org> > > Hi, > > Actually it works better I notice with 08 on the left and 06 on the right, > as -06 has the broken formatting, so please check the diff from -06 to the > current -08 using: > > > https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update-08&url2=draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update-06&difftype=--html > > The changes are largely around making the MAY insert local entries into a > SHOULD insert known-locals, with a little more text on how we’d determine > those. > > Tim > > On 9 Apr 2024, at 15:13, Nick Buraglio <buraglio@forwardingplane.net> > wrote: > > We have published -08 of the rfc6724 update, this fixes some > formatting and other typographical oversights > The following sections address comments from the lis (difft from -06 > to -08 is the most useful comparison): > > https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update-06&url2=draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update-08&difftype=--html > > > Brief overview of the changes from -06: > > Section 2: > Add terminology section and define known-local > > Section 3: > Add section on elevating > upgrades the requirement in RFC 6724 for nodes to insert a higher > precedence entry in the policy table for observed ULA prefixes that > are known to be local, referred to in this document as "known-local" > ULAs, from a MAYto a SHOULD. > > Section 4: > Changes the 6to4 prefix deprecation to match Teredo, adds further > clarity and reference to RFC6724 section 10.7 > > Section 5: > Add text to upgrade the requirement to automatically insert > known-local ULAs into a node's policy table from a MAY to a SHOULD. > > Section 5.3 > Further define insertion and removal parameters and requirements for > known-local ULA prefixes into table and associated values and label > > Section 7.2: > Further clarify GUA-GUA preferred over ULA-ULA details > > Section 7.3: > Further clarify ULA-ULA preferred over IPv4-IPv4 details > > Section 8: > Housekeeping and formatting changes > > Section 9.2: > Describe the new known-local interaction and how it addresses issues > with ULAs in global DNS > > > > Further copy edit and housekeeping. > > Thanks! > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:farmer@umn.edu Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
- [IPv6] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update… internet-drafts
- Re: [IPv6] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-up… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-up… Tim Chown
- [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <draft-… Bob Hinden
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Bob Hinden
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Tim Chown
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Jeremy Duncan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Jeremy Duncan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Tim Chown
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Jeremy Duncan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Tim Chown
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Jared Mauch
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Jeremy Duncan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Jeremy Duncan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Tim Chown
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Tim Chown
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Jared Mauch
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Tim Chown
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Jared Mauch
- Re: [IPv6] Second Working Group Last Call for <dr… Kyle Rose