RE: Interested in wireless ?
"Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com> Mon, 01 June 2020 16:33 UTC
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From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>
To: "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>, 'Brian E Carpenter' <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Subject: RE: Interested in wireless ?
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Hello again Barbara: Does that mean that our influence is thorugh cross membership, or do we have a more direct channel from the IETF? Keep safe, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> > Sent: lundi 1 juin 2020 18:13 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; 'Brian E Carpenter' > <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > Cc: '6man WG' <ipv6@ietf.org> > Subject: RE: Interested in wireless ? > > Hi Pascal, > > > Hello Barbara: > > > > RFC 8505 and the 2 following drafts (Backbone Router and Address > > Protection) are already referenced by the upcoming IEEE Std. 802.11 > > revision, the last 2 as draft-ietf-* for now. This is why we care to > > get the other RFC numbers soon (the 2 drafts are in RFCed queue). I > > expect that this means an automatic pick by WFA? > > No, it wouldn't mean that at all. WFA only creates certification and does > plugfests on subsets of IEEE 802.11 standards that their members are actively > pushing for and wanting to implement. There is lots of stuff in IEEE that WFA > completely ignores. And sometimes, if IEEE is dithering and indecisive (i.e., > experiencing politics, like during the 802.11n wars) WFA just goes ahead and > creates a certification spec without waiting for IEEE to get its act together. > Barbara > > > We'll note that the IEEE references are informational, like, it is > > recommended to do ND proxy and informationally, here's how you can do it. > > But still it's a step. We need to convince the stacks. For all I know > > some routers are ready to engage. > > > > Take care, > > > > Pascal > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> > > > Sent: lundi 1 juin 2020 17:17 > > > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; 'Brian E Carpenter' > > > <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > > > Cc: '6man WG' <ipv6@ietf.org> > > > Subject: RE: Interested in wireless ? > > > > > > > Neat! > > > > > > > > Many thanks Brian. > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > Oh, good. I'd just like to say that Brian very eloquently expressed > > > some of the thoughts I had when reading through the draft. This is > > > an important topic. I'd like to see it presented in a way that > > > drives deployment, if it really will help to solve the problem. > > > > > > I suspect that to really get high rates of good, interoperable > > > implementations in deployed Wi-Fi products, it might need to get > > > picked up by Wi-Fi Alliance. An applicability statement that helps > > > them understand the use case would be useful. I wonder, though, if > > > that would be more v6ops than 6man? That is, it seems more about > > > using (and implementing/deploying) existing protocols to improve > > > operation of a > > network. > > > Barbara > > > > > > > > From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > Pascal, > > > > > > > > > > There is a category of standards track documents foreseen in > > > > > RFC2026 called "applicability statements", described at > > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf. > > > > > or > > > > > g_ > > > > > ht > > > > > ml_rfc2026-23section-2D3.2&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- > > > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC- > > > > > > > > > > > 8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=_i8eV1zjwa6e9U_4dG_Ehj8deR5jGNQadCAX4NyOVRg > > > > &s=S88z1M > > > > > klplQDukKNZjL75ub8LZnYm9ZJBYq_cafJfzY&e= > > > > > > > > > > I think that is perhaps where your draft could fit. A little bit > > > > > stronger than Informational and little bit different than Best > > > > > *Current* > > > > Practice. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > > On 01-Jun-20 04:40, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > > > Hello Brian > > > > > > > > > > > > We may have to split the doc but for the most part I agree it > > > > > > is an > > > > > informational. > > > > > > > > > > > > For now I suggest to just change the intended status > > > > > > accordingly and aim at > > > > > BCP or something. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let’s discuss in parallel the coexistence and if there’s a > > > > > > need for an std track > > > > > somewhere. There’s at least the use of a 6LBR for address > > > > > looking up in unicast. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > > > > >> Le 30 mai 2020 à 22:47, Brian E Carpenter > > > > > >> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > > > > > a écrit : > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Hi, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I believe that this is an important topic that 6MAN should take up. > > > > > >> The draft > > > > > is a good basis. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> At the moment I find the draft a bit confusing in one way. > > > > > >> It's aimed at > > > > > standards track, but it mainly doesn't read like a standard. > > > > > There's a lot of discussion but not much specification. If I was > > > > > a coder, I wouldn't really know where to start. For example, the > > > > > end of the > > > > Introduction says: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> "This document discusses the applicability of IPv6 ND over > > > > > >> wireless links, as compared with routing-based alternatives > > > > > >> such as prefix-per node and multi-link subnets (MLSN), and > > > > > >> with Wireless ND (WiND), that is similar to the Wi-Fi > > > > > >> association and reduces the need for Network-Layer multicast." > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If it's a standard, IMHO it shouldn't do that. It should > > > > > >> specify what WiND is, > > > > > with normative references as needed. Section 5 is the important part. > > > > > It's fine to have a descriptive section about why WiND is > > > > > needed, but that is almost better as an appendix. The main text > > > > > should be essentially the instructions for a kernel programmer. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > >> Brian Carpenter > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> On 30-May-20 23:46, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > > >>> Dear all > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Since there’s so much energy on the list these days, could > > > > > >>> we consider the adoption of > > > > > >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf. > > > > > >>> or > > > > > >>> g_html_draft-2Dthubert-2D6man-2Dipv6-2Dover-2Dwireless- > > > > 2D05&d=DwIG > > > > > >>> aQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC- > > > > 8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=_i8eV1zjwa6 > > > > > >>> > > > > > > e9U_4dG_Ehj8deR5jGNQadCAX4NyOVRg&s=zhmY1Y4gPkDO08iqReP1D3y6I > > > > UQ2eCR > > > > > >>> cItaE6PV0kzU&e= > > > > > >>> ? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I got only positive feedback, there’s no politics, there no > > > > > >>> label, it’s all about > > > > > IPv6 models for wireless. This may appear useful in a world > > > > > where the vast majority of devices are connected that way. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Keep safe, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Pascal > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> -- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org > > > > > >>> Administrative > > > > > >>> Requests: > > > > > >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > > > 3A__www.ietf.org_ > > > > > >>> mailman_listinfo_ipv6&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- > > > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC-8 > > > > > >>> > > > > > > sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=_i8eV1zjwa6e9U_4dG_Ehj8deR5jGNQadCAX4NyOVRg& > > > > s=d4r > > > > > >>> J3C_jWlTRhy2Hr3SeRSeCEeyC8wNfKBtnuG7VCeU&e= > > > > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org > > > > Administrative > > > > Requests: > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > > > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ipv6&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- > > > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC- > > > > > > 8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=_i8eV1zjwa6e9U_4dG_Ehj8deR5jGNQadCAX4NyOVRg > > > > &s=d4rJ3C_jWlTRhy2Hr3SeRSeCEeyC8wNfKBtnuG7VCeU&e= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > --
- Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Carsten Bormann
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Michael Richardson
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? STARK, BARBARA H
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? STARK, BARBARA H
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Michael McBride
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Interested in wireless ? Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Nabil Benamar
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu