Re: Other use cases for header insertion (was Re: Header Insertion and TI-FA)
Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Wed, 13 May 2020 16:31 UTC
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From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
Subject: Re: Other use cases for header insertion (was Re: Header Insertion and TI-FA)
To: Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com>, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
Cc: Ron Bonica <rbonica=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, 6man <6man@ietf.org>
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On 13/5/20 12:28, Uma Chunduri wrote: > > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 3:50 AM Stewart Bryant > <stewart.bryant@gmail.com <mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I am glad that we accept the NP is not SR! Although it took a > long time to get there, both in terms of the disintertwining and > realisation that the concept was needed. It is a long time since > I read it, but I am concerned about whether it has the full > generality of the opaque instruction that MPLS has. > > I guess, it has. > > Assuming that it has the next issue and it is one we are > discussing here is the overhead of adding a new instruction to a > packet in flight. > > That overhead per 8200 is 40 bytes aka encapsulation (with all good > reasons raised again and again why it has to be like that in L3), where in > > L2.5 it is 4 bytes. Though we may never get to 4 bytes we don't want it > to be 40 bytes, that's the holy grail of insert discussion (push). So you want IPv6, but don't want 40 bytes of overhead. Well, I tell you what: those 40 bytes of overhead *are* IPv6. That should be an indication that you should probably accept it, do other smarts to reduce overall overhead, or you might need to look at a different protocol. I find it amusing to use 128-bit labels for what's pretending to be a limited domain, and then be concerned about the overhead of the ipv6 header. As much as I find amusing to have nodes that claim to support IPv6 (and hence should be able to ignore a RH that has a SL==0) but they violate the spec and fail miserably, so then there's a proposal to violate the spec (PSP) to cope with that. -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492
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- Re: Other use cases for header insertion (was Re:… Brian E Carpenter
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