Re: [IPv6] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.txt

["Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <[e-mail]>]

With my IESG hat on and without any relationship to this specific case.

This will probably be challenging for an informational I-D to obsolete a proposed standard I-D.

At the worst case, have 2 documents: one obsoleting the old proposed standard then an informational one. Ugly tough...

But, Brian, I am sure you know the processes even better than I ;-)

-éric

On 15/02/2024, 20:42, "Brian E Carpenter" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:


Éric,


Thanks. With your AD hat partially on, do you think that an Informational document can request the IESG to obsolete a Proposed Standard?


If so, I'd personally be happy to make this draft informational and change the RFC2119 keywords to plain English. That would clarify that it is, as David Schinazi says, aspirational.


Regards
Brian


On 15-Feb-24 22:15, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote:
> [Top posting and without any special hat]
> 
> Brian and Bob, this is a good idea to move forward and keep this valuable feature of IPv6: LLA
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> Like David S, I do not think that this is the IETF remit to specify UI though, i.e., an informational document seems more adequate to me (again as individual).
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> BTW, I often enter URLs without a keyboard with 1- or 2-dimension QR code. Should this be part of the I-D as well ? (more complex than having 2 boxes to enter data) as QR codes are often printed on stickers on IoT devices
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> Just my 0,01 EUR
> 
> -éric
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> On 12/02/2024, 23:15, "ipv6 on behalf of Brian E Carpenter" <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> on behalf of [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
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> Were there any other comments on this draft? Are there people who disagree with this new approach? If not, is it appropriate to consider WG adoption already?
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> Regards
> Brian Carpenter
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> On 26-Jan-24 14:01, Gyan Mishra wrote:
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>> I read the draft and it looks good and makes sense.
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>> Thanks
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>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 2:58 PM Brian E Carpenter <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
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>> As the WG may have noticed, draft-ietf-6man-rfc6874bis has been stuck in the IESG since March 2023, despite multiple revisions and discussions with the ADs and other objectors, particularly those in the W3C and browser (WHATWG**) communities.
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>> We (Brian and Bob) have reluctantly concluded that the disconnects on this topic between the IETF, the W3C and WHATWG are such that an acceptable compromise cannot be reached.
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>> We therefore propose to transform the discussion by withdrawing rfc6874bis and RFC6874, and replacing them by a generic requirement that when a user interface supports the input of IPv6 addresses, it MUST support the input of link-local addresses with interface IDs (a.k.a. zone IDs). How any particular software tool does this is a choice for its implementer.
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>> A first draft has just been submitted, please comment. It intentionally makes no reference whatever to browser or other web issues.
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>> Regards
>> Brian Carpenter
>> Bob Hinden
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>> Subject: I-D Action: draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.txt
>> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 11:51:18 -0800
>> From: [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>
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>> Internet-Draft draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.txt is now available.
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>> Title: Entering IPv6 Zone Identifiers in User Interfaces
>> Authors: Brian Carpenter
>> Robert M. Hinden
>> Name: draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.txt
>> Pages: 7
>> Dates: 2024-01-15
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>> Abstract:
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>> This document describes how the zone identifier of an IPv6 scoped
>> address, defined in the IPv6 Scoped Address Architecture (RFC 4007),
>> should be entered into a user interface. It obsoletes RFC 6874.
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>> Discussion Venue
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>> This note is to be removed before publishing as an RFC.
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>> Discussion of this document takes place on the 6MAN mailing list
>> ([e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>), which is archived at
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/&gt;> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/&gt;> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/&gt;> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/&amp;gt;&gt;>
>> (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/ <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/&gt;> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/&gt;> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/&gt;> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/&amp;gt;&gt;>).
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>> The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/&gt;> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/&gt;> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/&gt;> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui/&amp;gt;&gt;>
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>> There is also an HTML version available at:
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.html <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.html> <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.html> <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.html&gt;> <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.html> <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.html&gt;> <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.html&gt;> <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-carpenter-6man-zone-ui-00.html&amp;gt;&gt;>
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>> Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at:
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