Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted
Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com> Tue, 31 July 2012 01:58 UTC
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Subject: Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted
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Hi Rob, On the lower layer, Openflow talks to control/specify the forwarding plane - heading towards forwarding plane modeling; something that ForCES did a while ago. It focuses on Layer-2 and does not interact with the routing control plane - generally assuming that the routing control protocol does not/should not exist. Yes, there is nascent work on hybrid OpenFlow switches - but that is very far from a model based on USING the router's OS and routing capabilities and handling multiple applications installing state. Retrieving state is also not a focus in Openflow. On the upper layer, ONF is starting to tentatively talk about northbound APIs - which are from OpenFlow controllers up towards orchestrators or applications. I don't, personally, think that IRS should cover the latter upper layer - though a translation layer and thinking through the network OS abstractions is certainly interesting and part of the ecosystem. Would you care to clearly clarify your concerns and assumptions about intentions? The two drafts work at defining what IRS should be; I think that there is a clear difference in approach and intended functionality from OpenFlow. Surely you aren't suggesting that the IETF should not do anything in this space because OpenFlow might get around to it someday? Alia On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote: > hi Nitin, > > >> So IRS needs to define interfaces for both the lower layer and the upper layer. > > That's precisely what openflow protocol does. Thx for confirming clearly the intentions ;). > > Best regards, > R. > _______________________________________________ > irs-discuss mailing list > irs-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/irs-discuss
- [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted James Kempf
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Nitin Bahadur
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted James Kempf
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Manuel.Paul
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Thomas Nadeau
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Nitin Bahadur
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Nitin Bahadur
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted James Kempf
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted James Kempf
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted James Kempf
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Thomas Nadeau
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- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Jamal Hadi Salim
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Alia Atlas
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Robert Raszuk
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Susan Hares
- Re: [irs-discuss] IRS Problem Statement Posted Robert Raszuk
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