Re: [lisp] [Ila] LISP for ILA

Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net> Fri, 16 March 2018 19:33 UTC

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From: Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:33:35 -0700
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To: Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lisp] [Ila] LISP for ILA
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Dino Farinacci <farinacci@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Such complexity is why I am still keen on the redirect model for a
>
> I hear you loud and clear. But we do the redirect model in LISP in many forms as well.
>
>> mapping system. An ILA cache is an optional element and the control
>> plane is never inline with packet forwarding and packets are not
>> dropped on a cache miss. Neither does the generate request packets for
>
> We did that in the ITR as well. A cache missed meant to send a Map-Request and to encapsulate the packet to a PETR (proxy decapsulator) where the PETR usually had a full cache (how it got populated could be with pull or push mechanisms).
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> But this results in duplicate packets going to the destination as well as out of order packets.
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>> bogus addresses that can't resolved. These properties bound the worse
>> case DOS attack to be that legitimate traffic takes an unoptimized
>> route but is not blocked nor dropped. Conservatively, this does
>
> Yes, understand. But even in your constrained “domain”, there may be just too much state to push to all nodes. Especially in the 5G use-case. It wasn’t a problem in the LISP beta network because the proxy xTRs had relatively coarse prefixes that reached lots of EIDs.
>
The state would need to be sharded. You'd probably need to do this
anyway for mapping-servers or high thoughput Internet facing routers
for which using a cache would be challenging.

Tom

>> require provisioning ILA-Rs to handle the full load if necessary to be
>> robust.
>
> Yes indeed.
>
> Dino
>