Re: [lmap] What is broadband?

[James Miller <[e-mail]>]

I believe that Henning had commented at some point that the LMAP definition
he contemplated had "architecture" as the 'A' element but certainly access
is an important piece.  I think one of the problems that has been discussed
also on the LMAP and our FCC Next-Gen lists is that a complete view of LMAP
performance measurements would implicate elements from the user's laptop,
through wireless and other local LAN, carriers access networks, Tier 1 and
other peering networks, the application host side and everything in
between.  Clearly there would be a lot of technologies included within
that functional scope.

For reference, in the FCC Measuring Broadband America Program we focused on
measurement from the consumers' broadband modem through the carriers
network to where it connects to a tier one peering point.  LMAP should be
able to address the broad mix of other use cases that would have a mix of
other elements and motivations.

Graphic in Report at page 9.
http://transition.fcc.gov/cgb/measuringbroadbandreport/2Methodology.pdf

On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Bugenhagen, Michael K <
[e-mail]> wrote:

>  The word "access" should be key here as part of the definition provided
> we are talking about an Internet service, which is the second component.
> I don't really  think we are building tests that won't work on smaller
> pipes so questioning if it really 'broadband' or not is correct IMO.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 7, 2013, at 9:41 AM, "Shane Amante" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>  Benoit,
>
>  On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Benoit Claise <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I started to review the drafts, and I will start posting a few questions
> to the list.
> Open questions, clarifying questions, in order to generate some
> discussions.
> Disclaimer: I have not yet read the entire list archive. Apologize in
> advance if some points have been discussed already.
>
> Here is my first question. What is broadband in the LMAP context?
> Is it DSL, cable, ETTH, Fiber to the home?  Is LMAP technology independent?
> And I see also "enterprise edge router", "cellular data or satellite" in
> draft-schulzrinne-lmap-requirements. In or out?
> Or do we have in mind a phase approach, starting with the "enterprise edge
> router" first, and then home network?
>
>
>  Speaking for the network I operate, I'm very much an advocate of saying
> that "Enterprise Edge Router" is "in-scope".  We would very much benefit
> from a standards-based measurement enablement and collection regime vs.
> mostly proprietary, and non-scalable, approaches that exist today.
>
>  This is not to diminish the importance of similar test capabilities for
> residential broadband use-cases.  We absolutely need to work on those, as
> well.
>
>  With respect to priority, my hope is that we do not have to choose to
> prioritize one over the other.  Rather, I would hope that both can be
> developed in parallel, because both -- at least, IMO -- have a
> substantially overlapping set of requirements/features.
>
>  My $0.02,
>
>  -shane
>
>
>  Interestingly, I don't know what A stands for in LMAP, if it stands for
> something.
> According to http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart, the A
> doesn't stand for anything.
> However, looking at the different draft titles, there is some confusion.
>
>    draft-linsner-lmap-use-cases-0 title is Large-Scale Broadband Measurement Use Cases
>    draft-schulzrinne-lmap-requirements-00.txt title is Large-Scale Measurement of Broadband Performance
>    draft-boucadair-lmap-considerations-00, *Large scale Measurement of **Access **network Performance (LMAP)*:
>       Requirements and Issues from a Network Provider Perspective
>
>
> Some more discussions, on the mailing list or during the BoF, on this
> topic would be appreciated.
>
> Regards, Benoit
>
>
>
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