Re: [lmap] What is broadband?

Shane Amante <shane@castlepoint.net> Thu, 07 March 2013 15:41 UTC

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Benoit,

On Mar 7, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> I started to review the drafts, and I will start posting a few questions to the list.
> Open questions, clarifying questions, in order to generate some discussions.
> Disclaimer: I have not yet read the entire list archive. Apologize in advance if some points have been discussed already. 
> 
> Here is my first question. What is broadband in the LMAP context?
> Is it DSL, cable, ETTH, Fiber to the home?  Is LMAP technology independent?
> And I see also "enterprise edge router", "cellular data or satellite" in draft-schulzrinne-lmap-requirements. In or out?
> Or do we have in mind a phase approach, starting with the "enterprise edge router" first, and then home network?

Speaking for the network I operate, I'm very much an advocate of saying that "Enterprise Edge Router" is "in-scope".  We would very much benefit from a standards-based measurement enablement and collection regime vs. mostly proprietary, and non-scalable, approaches that exist today.

This is not to diminish the importance of similar test capabilities for residential broadband use-cases.  We absolutely need to work on those, as well.  

With respect to priority, my hope is that we do not have to choose to prioritize one over the other.  Rather, I would hope that both can be developed in parallel, because both -- at least, IMO -- have a substantially overlapping set of requirements/features. 

My $0.02,

-shane


> Interestingly, I don't know what A stands for in LMAP, if it stands for something.
> According to http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart, the A doesn't stand for anything.
> However, looking at the different draft titles, there is some confusion.
>    draft-linsner-lmap-use-cases-0 title is Large-Scale Broadband Measurement Use Cases
>    draft-schulzrinne-lmap-requirements-00.txt title is Large-Scale Measurement of Broadband Performance
>    draft-boucadair-lmap-considerations-00, Large scale Measurement of Access network Performance (LMAP):
>       Requirements and Issues from a Network Provider Perspective
> 
> Some more discussions, on the mailing list or during the BoF, on this topic would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards, Benoit
> 
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