Re: [LOOPS] BOF co-chairs thinking on LOOPS next steps

[Spencer Dawkins at IETF <[e-mail]>]

Still wearing no hats, because I no longer have any dots ...

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 12:56 AM Carsten Bormann <[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2019, at 18:17, Marie-Jose Montpetit <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Standardisation of what? The architecture? The protocols (beware there
> is already FECFRAME and others)? The proxies?
>
> Hi Marie-José,
>
> details of the thinking that was developed in the side meetings that
> happened at the previous two IETF meetings can be found at
>
> https://github.com/loops-wg/charter
>
> The BOF actually added one piece of information I didn’t previously
> perceive that way:
> People seem to really want to tackle the host-to-node case (as needed,
> e.g., for going through WiFi access clouds) right away, not just the
> in-network (node-to-node) case.  That would be the one thing I would change
> based on my recollection of the BOF.  But of course there may be other
> things; it may be worth to now have another round of discussion of the
> proposed charter.
>

Communication is good, but one thing I mentioned in my summary of my chat
with the ADs was

   - Here's a hint from the ADs - if the proponents can come up with a
   clear charter, limited in scope, that will make their lives easier, and
   make it easier for them to charter this work :D

So, it's reasonable for the LOOPS community to consider adding
host-to-node, but it's worth checking whether this would expand the scope
of the requested charter, and whether excluding host-to-node makes the
initial work easier to complete.

My impression, and Magnus might say I'm insane, was that Magnus is right on
the edge of whether this work can be chartered without a second, working
group-forming BOF. If the LOOPS community can't live without host-to-node,
the community should add it. If the community can make use of LOOPS without
host-to-node and add it later, the community might consider whether that
reduces the scope of the initial proposed charter enough to help Magnus
approve it :-)

Best wishes,

Spencer